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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

So one can be an unconscious leftist?

So, wait, are you saying these folks want to dominate and enslave humanity, they just don't know it?

Fascinating.

From your groups listed, I can see what your true definition of "the Left" is ... anyone who disagrees with you.

Count me fully on the Left then.




posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Also, your list sounds like the set-up for a great game of



Illuminati - Steve Jackson Games.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Should we bother with the concepts of libertarian-right and libertarian-left?

Or have we had quite enough of the psychological root canal for now?


I guess the Libertarian Left thinks that communism will evolve rather quickly without anything preventing it. If people really are that way, that's the way it is then.

It sounds oxymoronic to me, unless they plan to be an island of natural born altruists in a sea of self-cultivation.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
From your groups listed, I can see what your true definition of "the Left" is ... anyone who disagrees with you.

Count me fully on the Left then.

Talk about watering down the message.


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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Gryphon66
From your groups listed, I can see what your true definition of "the Left" is ... anyone who disagrees with you.

Count me fully on the Left then.

Talk about watering down the message.



LOL ... listening to Semi's ideas about "The Left" reminds me of old episodes of "Pinky and the Brain."



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

So you can't imagine a small government that would care about individual rights and freedom?

What does your ideal small government care about then?

*he asks with a distinct tone of dread in his voice*



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Semicollegiate

So one can be an unconscious leftist?

So, wait, are you saying these folks want to dominate and enslave humanity, they just don't know it?

Fascinating.

From your groups listed, I can see what your true definition of "the Left" is ... anyone who disagrees with you.

Count me fully on the Left then.


Who do you think is on the Left?

and why do you never give what you ask for?



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Semicollegiate

So you can't imagine a small government that would care about individual rights and freedom?

What does your ideal small government care about then?

*he asks with a distinct tone of dread in his voice*


We had a small government. It grew. Like it always will because it has coercive force or else it is not the government.

We had a government so small that Bakunin said that the US had anarchy.

But that small government had control of the money supply and the ability to tax and kill and now it has a regulation for any activity a person can do.

Why do you need a government when you can buy insurance and emergency services for less than a fraction 60% to 99% of your income that you pay now?



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

I know who's on the Left. And the answer is not "every government everywhere."

What are you even talking about? I don't give what I ask for? How many posts have I made in this thread?

(Also, of note, you didn't answer my question about what your small government is concerned with ... if not the well-being and freedom of its people ... what, er, what is it?)



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Yep. We had a small government ... then another person got off the boat.

Seriously, the Founders were pretty obviously Leftist by every meaningful definition of the word.

Point to any modern country of any size that "doesn't have a government" that any sane person want to live in.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Also, your list sounds like the set-up for a great game of



Illuminati - Steve Jackson Games.



Those games always have predetermined decision trees. All of them are like running a maze. A psychedelic maze, yeah.

A real game would let you do anything and then compute a consequence based on your actions and the qualities of the game opponent and the real world environment.


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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Yep. We had a small government ... then another person got off the boat.

Seriously, the Founders were pretty obviously Leftist by every meaningful definition of the word.

Point to any modern country of any size that "doesn't have a government" that any sane person want to live in.



In general the Founders were aristocrats and wanted equality among the aristocracy. Most aristocracy is based on land, and since there was a lot of land accessible to anyone, any one could possibly join the aristocracy.

In the real world it doesn't get any better than that for the folks starting at the bottom.

Socialism is promises and wishful thinking.

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The War Between the States set a convenient precedent for Centralization world wide. The United States, the German States and the Italian States could have stayed independent without the millennia long 24/7 agitation of the socialists, collectivists, crony capitalists, and central bankers for bigger is better government.

If not for WW1, Austria-Hungary would have broken up and later on Russia as well.

WW1 gave every participating government a plausible excuse to become totalitarian.

War is the health of the state. States are the healthiest institutions.

We have been Left since WW1.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Kinda wishy-washy.

Why WW1?

Why not since the Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation?



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Kinda wishy-washy.

Why WW1?

Why not since the Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation?


Nationalization of the economy.

Bakunin quote.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

You don't even stick to your definition of left do you?



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

First, Let's remember that there were not budgets, only 'authorization for spending' bills between 2007 and 2013. In effect, they 'deemed' a budget.

Second, Bush's final year overspending in 2009 was set to be under a trillion dollars as of September 2008.

Then the housing crisis occured and TARP was signed after the September 2008 cutoff. That's on Bush.

Then between January 20th 2009 and September 2009 Obama and the Democrat super-majority added the Stimulus, Ombibus, SCHIP expansion, and a few other 'goodies' that added just over a trillion dollars to the 2009 spending. Those were not Bush dollars.

Stimulus ~ 787 billion
Omnibus ~ 300 billion
SCHIP ~ 30 billion

So that's 1.17 trillion in spending during the 2008 to 2009 fiscal year that was not implemented by Bush or a Republican controlled (or even half-controlled) Congress.

Meaning Bush overspent by about 300 billion in has last year, and the Democrats quadrupled down before they even had their first chance to authorize a 2009-2010 spending bill.

So tell me, in light of this evidence, who actually increases the size of government?

Lovely that you continue to harp on this idiocy.

Look at xuenchen's post. Calculate the change in government spending from one year to the next.
2001 1862846 T ~
2002 2.010894 T 7.95%
2003 2.159899 T 7.41%
2004 2.292841 T 6.16%
2005 2.471957 T 7.81%
2006 2.655050 T 7.41%
2007 2.728686 T 2.77%
2008 2.982544 T 9.30%
2009 3.517677 T 17.94%
2010 3.456213 T -1.75%
2011 3.603061 T 4.25%
2012 3.537127 T -1.83%
2013 3.450000 T -2.46%
2014 3.504000 T 1.57%

Which presidency had a decline in government spending?
HINT: It ain't Bush.

How much was the budget difference from 2008 to 2009?
$0.535133 trillion

How much do you claim Obama added?
"So that's 1.17 trillion in spending during the 2008 to 2009 fiscal year that was not implemented by Bush or a Republican controlled (or even half-controlled) Congress."

Does that mean that, according to you, Bush cut the budget in his final year in office by $0.634867 trillion which Obama made up for nearly twice over?

Do you see some inconsistency with this claim?
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posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 06:00 PM
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Property "ownership" ....

Private under Fascism vs State under USSR Communism.

Stereotyped "difference" but yet very similar.

Mass Authority necessary for both to exist under government.

Private ownership is required to pay taxes on several levels. Those taxes are redistributed by multi-level government authority.

State ownership becomes the bureaucratic management administrator that redistributes use and production.

Goods and services produced are redistributed under USSR Communism.

Goods and services produced are sold and taxed at multiple levels under Fascism.

Both require legal authority under each government model.

The "taxing" methods differ slightly but end up as redistribution.

Both reduce freedoms to large extents.




posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate


The War Between the States


Got it. I know exactly where you're coming from now. Please feel free to refer to the American Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression" in future. Based on what you've said about "the left," they pose a great danger to America. Perhaps they could be rounded up and locked away....



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Semicollegiate


The War Between the States


Got it. I know exactly where you're coming from now. Please feel free to refer to the American Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression" in future. Based on what you've said about "the left," they pose a great danger to America. Perhaps they could be rounded up and locked away....


That is what Lefties do to other Lefties after they denounce them as Fascists.



posted on Aug, 26 2015 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
That is what Lefties do to other Lefties after they denounce them as Fascists.

What would Righties do?




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