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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

left wing
noun
noun: left wing; plural noun: left wings; noun: leftwing; plural noun: leftwings

1.
the liberal, socialist, or radical section of a political party or system.


“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the “F” scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label “fascist” has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.
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Its a good read..
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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Some people know (think) the cleansing and scrubbing of major similarities between Fascism; and USSR Social/Economic polices of the 1930s and some American Social/Economic polices of the 1930s was part of the general and complicated "denazification" programs.

Very controversial.

After all, the Western Victors and the USSR were allies in WW2 and they did agree to split Europe into controlled zones.

Their worst nightmare was to have Fascist associated policies with some of their own polices.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB



“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn



very compelling !!

And very true.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

The "History" Channel is a well know Left Wing outlet.

Excellent "source"

How about this guy?

Historians have long recognized the affinity, and the welding together, of Right-wing socialism with Conservatism in Italy and Germany, where the fusion was embodied first in Bismarckism and then in Fascism and National Socialism: the latter fulfilling the Conservative program of nationalism, imperialism, militarism, theocracy, and a right-wing collectivism that retained and even cemented the rule of the old privileged classes.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Sorry, thought it was "a rule" to post a source when one is quoting something........



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

He is referring to "Labeled" Left of Center Conservatives.

For clarity and Associative Cognitive Dissonance.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You do realize that most political ideals are more alike than different.

Sure small things can make big differences but pointing out the similarities is a fallacy.

Both the USA and the USSR are/were a union of republic states, they both had a constitution. That makes them both Constitutional Republics so they must be the same.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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There are multiple ways of viewing the 'left-right' paradigm, which is why it is a gross over-simplification of political philosophy, and leads to grand semantic debates. It is only semantics, and proving arguments based on self-chosen definition.
'Left is x, right is y, therefore negative-label z is left wing!' Or the reverse. People need to stop obsessing over semantics so much. It's like 90% of politics is just using alternate definitions for words and then arguing about whether people are or are not various labels, and everyone is using a different dictionary.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

No, he makes it clear who he is talking about. Try reading the article linked instead of knee jerking.

Libertarians of the present day are accustomed to think of socialism as the polar opposite of the libertarian creed. But this is a grave mistake, responsible for a severe ideological disorientation of libertarians in the present world.


These are Murray N. Rothbard's words not cognitive dissonance or some left-wing source.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

right-wing socialism is still socialism and STILL left wing.. right-wing socialism opposes individualism and commercialism up front, and while in some societies they may have worked hand in hand with conservatives, you cannot put every conservative in every country into the socialist group automatically,

Does the conservative stand FOR individualism and commercialism? Then they will probably never stand with the socialist groups.
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: BobbyRock
a reply to: xuenchen

Sorry, thought it was "a rule" to post a source when one is quoting something........



You did just fine.. your just in the mud pit..



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

I agree. I used the word conservative in a recent post to describe loyalists during the US revolutionary war because they sought to maintain the status quo.

Someone reacted like the word could only be used to describe "Modern American Conservatives".
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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Liberals should be called Social Democrats.

Liberals are liars or air heads or totalitarian secular zealots.

Even the name Liberal is a lie.

Except that words are defined by common usage, according to all dictionaries.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

That's an interesting opinion, OpinionatedB.

Can't say that I'm surprised that right-leaning Forbes printed such an article.

With a epigraph from ol' John T. Flynn as well? Amazing:



John Thomas Flynn (October 25, 1882, Bladensburg, Maryland – April 13, 1964) was an American journalist best known for his opposition to President Franklin D. Roosevelt and to American entry into World War II. In September 1940, Flynn helped establish the America First Committee (AFC).[1] He was also the first to advance the Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge conspiracy theory.[2]


Here's another Flynn quote, equally inspiring:



The enemy aggressor is always pursuing a course of larceny, murder, rapine and barbarism. We are always moving forward with high mission, a destiny imposed by the Deity to regenerate our victims, while incidentally capturing their markets; to civilise savage and senile and paranoid peoples, while blundering accidentally into their oil wells.[6]


Not to be missed is another (uncited line) from Wikipedia:



Flynn became an early and avid supporter of Senator Joseph McCarthy.


... and another ...



During his last years (he died in 1964) some of his books were promoted and reprinted by the John Birch Society.


Again, all proudly provided from Wikipedia - John T. Flynn

Just to give some context for the article's source and obvious bias ...

Oh, and the author of the article, Bill Flax? Let's review a few of his other article titles:

"Hobby Lobby Leads the Fight Against Obamacare Tyranny"

"Marriage is a Private Matter that is None of the Government's Business"

and my personal favorite

"In Election 2012s Aftermath Biblical Christians Will Become Increasingly Marginalized"

Bill Flax at Forbes Magazine

Now, if anyone would like to recommend a serious article not quote so dripping with extremist right-wing positions, I'd be glad to see it.
edit on 16Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:17:58 -050015p042015866 by Gryphon66 because: epigraph not frontispiece ... silly Gryphon



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: BobbyRock
a reply to: xuenchen

Sorry, thought it was "a rule" to post a source when one is quoting something........



A) The Mud Bit rules are a bit different from the rest of the site, and ...
B) Don't get used to that user substantiating their ... submission.

And, welcome to ATS!



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Liberals should be called Social Democrats.

Liberals are liars or air heads or totalitarian secular zealots.

Even the name Liberal is a lie.

Except that words are defined by common usage, according to all dictionaries.


Nyah nyah ... *raspberry*

I bet you'd like to shut all this foolish Liberal talk right down, wouldn't you Semi? C'mon, you can be honest here.

I mean, we're not REAL Americans are we, after all? No reason to give us those silly civil rights and stuff.

Save those freedoms for real red-blooded Christian Americans, right?
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: OpinionatedB

I agree. I used the word conservative in a recent post to describe loyalists during the US revolutionary war because they sought to maintain the status quo.

Someone reacted like the word could only be used to describe "Modern American Conservatives".


Now I really am shocked. Are you telling me that right-wingers want to control how people speak?

How ... authoritarian of them.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: OpinionatedB

I agree. I used the word conservative in a recent post to describe loyalists during the US revolutionary war because they were on the side of the status quo.

Someone reacted like the word could only be used to describe "Modern American Conservatives".


Ahh.. okay


I think the problem today in words, is the problem we are facing in America. And that is an attempt at a take-over by the socialist left-wingers.

See.. I used to be a democrat, then there was a huge shift to the left, and I became a republican, then the neo-cons took over, and I am a what?

Hell if I know but if my choice is between a marxist ideology or right-wing socialism then I want a third option.. right now in America people who are neither marxist or socialist have our only option to be libertarian..

but I think most people have not noticed the take-over of parties.. they are the same, they have the same agenda.

I am for individualism and commercialism, and neither party is supporting that via policy these days. Isn't it weird that I am a conservative? yet because I support those two things I have no one to vote for in the land of the free..

crazy world. But how to describe them... they sit around throwing mud at eachother, yet they are nearly identical with few exceptions these days and therein is the problem.
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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Thank you!

Still learning the ropes............

So "The Mud Pit" has Fox News rules - Dream S--T up and throw it all around and see what sticks?

Got it.....



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

That might be but the topic of the thread is Fascism and it's place on the political spectrum.




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