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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Right. That's not true and you know it. You're just making a fool of yourself at this point.

My source was a "wiki" article, and we all know the limitations of that medium.

The source material I used in my claim is cited and referenced to other works.

The anomalous phrase you found was not cited or referenced by me.

Try your "gotcha" silliness somewhere else; what have you done in this thread but snipe from the lines and give high-fives to your cronies.

Answer: Not much.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

I have to admit, you often remind me of a Shakespearean hero, Beezzer.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

Good news is that in a thousand years machines will rule the earth and then human nature won't even be part of the equation.


That will be the ultimate authoritarian complex.

The Ivory Tower Academic Intelligentsia will have achieved the end goal.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: greencmp

Right. That's not true and you know it. You're just making a fool of yourself at this point.

My source was a "wiki" article, and we all know the limitations of that medium.

The source material I used in my claim is cited and referenced to other works.

The anomalous phrase you found was not cited or referenced by me.

Try your "gotcha" silliness somewhere else; what have you done in this thread but snipe from the lines and give high-fives to your cronies.

Answer: Not much.


Speak for yourself.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

It doesn't matter if you can cite source material from the Wiki. Others here have all done the same to back their claims. The very fact that this has gone on for 37 pages here with both sides citing source material should tell you that Wiki is a weak claim.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

The op was debunked on like page 2. The reason it went on for 37 pages is because there are a lot of stubborn people ignoring evidence who DESPERATELY want to change the definition of fascism to suit their needs.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Fascist had no problem letting people choose what they wanted to go after in life.

They directed the economy on the national level but the individual was free to set up whatever shop they wanted to.


That was also true in the Soviet Union circa 1920 to 1924, when Lenin died.

BTW the birth rate skyrocketed during that period and gave Stalin the 20 million Soviet casualties that swamped the Reich. The Wehrmacht killed Russians 3 to 1 every year of the war, Germany would have won in months.

Patton said that the Russians were bled white and we didn't need to give them Eastern Europe. The commie-symp western leadership ignored that. Patton died in fender bender on his last day in Europe before flying home to a war bonds tour.

Like Les Misanthrope wrote, the NAZI's were still in transition.
edit on 25-8-2015 by Semicollegiate because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

It doesn't matter if you can cite source material from the Wiki. Others here have all done the same to back their claims. The very fact that this has gone on for 37 pages here with both sides citing source material should tell you that Wiki is a weak claim.



Wiki can be a problem.

It's always wise to check those "sources" at the bottom.

Many times there isn't even a link to them either, and they seem to be "secondary" sources as well.

Like in the wiki page for "Fascism"

^^^^^ big problem with those 'sources" I think.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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Socialism is the workers "controlling" production.

How can the workers do that other than through human intermediaries?

The real world definition of socialism is obviously that the State ( the only ones with the power to do the job) controls production ostensibly on behalf of the workers.

The NAZI's did that.

The NAZI's were on the left.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: olbe66
a reply to: xuenchen



Wiki Defines as.....


Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during World War I, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and Anarchism. Fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4]


Lets all try to use the same words to mean the same thing, and not spin so much that we can't even talk.


Check the sources listed at the bottom of the page.

Spin Incorporated.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ketsuko

The op was debunked on like page 2. The reason it went on for 37 pages is because there are a lot of stubborn people ignoring evidence who DESPERATELY want to change the definition of fascism to suit their needs.


And an equal number of people who desperately are absolutely invested in it being debunked.

We can play this game for another 37 pages, but that gets us no closer to anything other than playing "he said"/"she said."

The crux of the matter is that one side wants to argue that American politics swing along the same axis as European ones because then it makes all their dreams come true.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
That was also true in the Soviet Union circa 1920 to 1924, when Lenin died.

What does any of that have to do with Mussolini?



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Wow, what a zinger.

What was it that someone called that the other day the "I know you are but what am I? defense."

LOL



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
The crux of the matter is that one side wants to argue that American politics swing along the same axis as European ones because then it makes all their dreams come true.

No we are pointing out that the article in the OP got it wrong when they plotted european governments on an american axis.

If it doesn't fit going one way, why would it fit going the other?



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

It doesn't matter if you can cite source material from the Wiki. Others here have all done the same to back their claims. The very fact that this has gone on for 37 pages here with both sides citing source material should tell you that Wiki is a weak claim.



Thanks for repeating what we all know about Wikipedia! Your contributions are always welcome.

I'll be glad to remind you that "Wiki is a weak claim."

Wikipedia is, particularly when the entry is not sourced (as the anomaly that got your buddy above so excited) questionable at best. That's why I try to only use that material as general source (basically repeating things we all know) or is individually sourced (as was the statements in what I supported my claim with.)

Of course you want to try to muddy the water, and make the whole matter just "what folks believe."

It is not, as has been demonstrated repeatedly here, "a matter of opinion."

Fascism is not and never has been "left wing."

Not by the definition of fascism.

Not by the definition of left wing.

"Believe" what you wish.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Exactly. Excellent.
I use wikipedia (the original) as a source for 'introductory' purposes only. A wikipedia standard is that when citations are needed, it is addressed that citations are needed....

at the end of MOST general knowledge pages, there are DOZENS of sources....all of which are hot links.

If I am already aware that the person to whom I'm providing the link is more "aware" (at a higher level than a "newcomer who indicates interest, but has no depth of knowledge of it yet) of the issue, I will provide more specific sources.

And in any case, that last "crux" thing........I don't understand what that even means......what "she said" up there....

Did you understand it?



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

No it really just boils down to one side being right and the other wrong. The definition of fascism has and always will be a right leaning political ideology. There is no way that the right can get away from that. It just is. Trying to change the meaning of the word so that you can pretend like the left are fascists too is just dishonest.

I'm not going to hang around another 37 pages and argue with you about it either. I only posted in the first few before, and I don't feel like going back and forth educating people on proper definitions. If you want to believe that fascism is a left leaning ideology, fine, I don't care. But know this, you are wrong.



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ah...got it. Thanks, that's what I thought, too.




posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 02:56 PM
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Sorry if this has been posted earlier...................


Benito Mussolini, an Italian World War I veteran and publisher of Socialist newspapers, breaks with the Italian Socialists and establishes the nationalist Fasci di Combattimento, named after the Italian peasant revolutionaries, or “Fighting Bands,” from the 19th century. Commonly known as the Fascist Party, Mussolini’s new right-wing organization advocated Italian nationalism, had black shirts for uniforms, and launched a program of terrorism and intimidation against its leftist opponents.

Source



posted on Aug, 25 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: BobbyRock

The "History" Channel is a well know Left Wing outlet.

Excellent "source"




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