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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Fascist had no problem letting people choose what they wanted to go after in life.

They directed the economy on the national level but the individual was free to set up whatever shop they wanted to.




posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Semicollegiate


Fascist had no problem letting people choose what they wanted to go after in life.

They directed the economy on the national level but the individual was free to set up whatever shop they wanted to.


Under the authoritarian government laws of course.

The corporations were under the same gun.




posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Nice word salad.

Your definition of "left" is not the commonly accepted one.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Unfortunately there is more than one definition of left.

The original definitions of left and right came from the French Revolution. Left meant the completely new rational democratic way and right meant the old way with tolerable tentatively experimental changes.

According to that definition, modern left is right; since social security, federal mandates, and income taxes are the status quo, and right is left; because the right wants a modern state that has never existed before.

The normal definition of left that most people use is Democratic Socialist or Liberal or Statist.

And all normal politics is left, in that it is collectivist and statist.

Or in other words, both sides want to use the state instead of voting with their time to do what they think should be done.


Uh, what exactly do you think the term 'Conservative' means?


Conservatives don't want to be political, but must be in reaction to full time socialist activists.

Conservatives want things the way they were when the US was growing economically, and the culture was default Christian in public for the little people, and the small government didn't know anything about your income or your life.

Conservatives lose me at foreign policy. Our foreign policy was made by the intrusive Progressives, "Make the World Safe for Democracy", but now it is the status quo so the Conservatives back it.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah but if you put it in quotes you only get 4 hits.

26 if you ask to see the omitted results.


Right, but do you notice how that line stands out in terms of the rest of the paragraph it's in?

The section of the article its in?

Doesn't fit.

/shrug



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:50 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Deaf Alien

those are according to biased academic sources.



What is not a biased source? "Conservative Daily News"?

Fox News Channel?

Perhaps, Rush Limbaugh? Glenn Beck?

Name an unbiased source that you'll "accept" information from.

Please.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:50 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Semicollegiate


Fascist had no problem letting people choose what they wanted to go after in life.

They directed the economy on the national level but the individual was free to set up whatever shop they wanted to.


Under the authoritarian government laws of course.

The corporations were under the same gun.




Evidence?

Proof?

Examples?



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate



and the culture was default Christian in public


I was so waiting for that LOL.

In the whole thread you said it first. Lest they accuse us of bashing them.


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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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Conservatives favor adherence to established power structures, traditional morals and nationalist fervor, and in the absence of same, will create them based on either the "king" or the "church" or the "council" models (or all three.)

The US was growing economically when the rich were paying their taxes and the middle class had money to spend (1920-1970). The rich stopped paying taxes, bought the government, raped and pillaged the industrial and manufacturing sectors, took higher profits than have been seen ever before in history, control the media (both "sides") to distract the People from what's going on.

"Progressives" is a meaningless term without reference to specific individuals.


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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66


The actual Left believes that government exists for one thing and one thing only: the good of the People, aka the General Welfare. The American Left believes, generally, that government should protect the rights of all citizens and provide equal treatment under the law.

Amen, my brother....amen.

I'm late, but....yeah
*back to lurk mode*



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Point to any government that is not authoritarian, statist and centralized.

(Centrist is a description of the politically moderate.)

Those are the basic descriptions of what a government is.

Therefore the phrase "authoritarian government" is equivalent to saying "governmental government" or "authoritarian authoritarianism."

In other words, word salad.
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Right, but do you notice how that line stands out in terms of the rest of the paragraph it's in?

The section of the article its in?

Right and only having a few hits and they are cited as coming from the wiki entry makes it seem like it was recently edited.


edit on 24-8-2015 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Yes, but that happened/happens in freer nations as well.
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Right, but do you notice how that line stands out in terms of the rest of the paragraph it's in?

The section of the article its in?

Right and the reason it only has a few hits and they are cited as coming from the wiki entry makes it seem like it was recently edited.


The "Talk" tab didn't have any discussion of such an edit yet ... but it seems pretty obvious ... even if one agreed with it.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

The political class has obviously obfuscated the political lexicon.

Otherwise totalitarian NAZI's would be in the same category as totalitarian Bolsheviks or totalitarian Maoists, i.e. all obviously collectivist, centralized, authoritarian, political, powers.




posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Who exactly is the "political class" ... and where do I get a copy of The Political Lexicon?

Totalitarian Nazis is redundant for all meaningful purposes.

Perhaps those systems would all fit In the same general category of "totalitarianism", much like apples, pineapples and grapes are in the category of "fruit."

But I ask you, would you toss a pineapple in the air and catch it in your mouth as you would a grape?



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Point to any government that is not authoritarian, statist and centralized.

(Centrist is a description of the politically moderate.)

Those are the basic descriptions of what a government is.

Therefore the phrase "authoritarian government" is equivalent to saying "governmental government" or "authoritarian authoritarianism."

In other words, word salad.


Centrist does not mean centralist.

In other words, those who are for more government are for less freedom.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
The political class has obviously obfuscated the political lexicon.

Those who want to lump things together so they can speak in absolutes don't help either.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Point to any government that is not authoritarian, statist and centralized.


The question is tainted.

The question is how "Authoritarian" laws and enforcements affect the majority of the population.




posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Sweet jumping Beezus.

centrist



"Having moderate political views or policies. A person who holds moderate political views."


centralized



"concentrate (control of an activity or organization) under a single authority. "a vast superstructure of centralized control""


If you're going to use non-standard definitions of common words, can you provide your own special definitions if you would.

Government can and does insure more freedom for more people when it is correctly structured.

Nothing in politics is linear as we keep stating over and over and over ...




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