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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Do you notice that line doesn't fit at all with the rest of the paragraph or the rest of the article and that it is uncited?

Hmmm.

Interestingly, you will find that same phase repeated elsewhere on the 'net, word for word, but also, uncited.


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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah but if you put it in quotes you only get 4 hits.

26 if you ask to see the omitted results.
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

What fascist regime has NOT been statist, centralized and authoritarian?

Centralized collectivist authoritarianism is a requirement of socialism.

Otherwise there is no need for a government, because everybody would know that they have the wonderful socialist utopia.

Fascism is de facto centralized collectivistic authoritarianism, and so is more like Maoism, Leninism, Stalinism than it is different from them.

Fascism is on the Left.

Left being in this instance a predominance of coercive Power over voluntary Society.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate


Left being in this instance a predominance of coercive Power over voluntary Society.

So everyone could just make up whatever definition they want and make it stick?


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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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Fascism is on the Left.





Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during World War I, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and Anarchism. Fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.




Some scholars consider fascism right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism. Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the right, explaining that, "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be." It should be noted all fascist regimes have been statists socialists with totalitarian centralized power.


en.wikipedia.org...



Left-wing politics are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality. They typically involve concern for those in society who are perceived as disadvantaged relative to others and a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.


en.wikipedia.org...

Want to try again?



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

those are according to biased academic sources.




posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen



those are according to biased academic sources.


I don't understand you. You keep making those hit-and-run posts without explaining anything.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:03 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen



those are according to biased academic sources.


I don't understand you. You keep making those hit-and-run posts without explaining anything.


Your claim.

Shows the actual referenced sources.

You might be surprised.




posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:03 PM
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On a European axis, I could see Fascism as either left or right wing, because traditional European countries came from one type of big-government central planning into another.

On an USA axis where the traditional 'right wing' political stance is anti-big government and pro-liberty and decentralized government and left wing is regression towards the central planning of Europe, an ideology of socialism/fascism is definitely left wing.

And from what I have seen from other posts, not many people seem to be able to agree on what fascism (and socialism) are.

Most supporters of socialism seem to be holding to a Utopian view minus all the historical down sides. And they seem to ignore how socialism led to fascism, and how fascism requires USA-axis left-leaning government to be established.
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:09 PM
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Shows the actual referenced sources.


It is right there.

Question: Do you reject the definition of the left and the right?



You might be surprised.


You're for in a huge surprise.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Fascism, circa 1920, was in opposition to Bolshevism AKA Leninism, circa 1920, because Mussolini thought himself a better socialist than Lenin.

Mussolini was an ostracized socialist. Fascism is National Socialism, just like National Bolshevism. National rather than international, that is the origin of the difference the Centralizers. The Nazi's were nationalists against the internationalist Communists. That is why Hitler had good press in America for awhile in the 1930's.

There can be only one, in the philosophy of the centralizers. That was why the Nazi's and Communists hated each other so much, and the reason why the NAZI's thought they were the righteous defenders.


Influenced by national syndicalism


Syndicalism is socialist.


Left-wing politics are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality. They typically involve concern for those in society who are perceived as disadvantaged relative to others and a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.


Mass propaganda and authoritarianism like I said.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

I am not going to answer because many posters have explained and explained in this thread over and over again. Read the thread or wait for someone else to explain. I'll let Gryphon66 take over. He got more patience than me.

Oh and btw



Mass propaganda and authoritarianism like I said.


Do you consider giving people equal rights to be authoritarianism?



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:21 PM
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I am not going to answer because many posters have explained and explained in this thread over and over again


As a researcher of Nazis and National Socialism, I get tired of trying to explain the differences and terminology behind the ideals of socialism and national socialism (Volksgemeinschaft).

People see the word socialism and knee-jerk. They post a few links to sites that confirm their ideals and that is that. Their mind is made up.

It's quite insulting to those of us that actually take the time to learn about the issue and can see it for what it is.

In other words, you're wasting your time. They desire is to be socialism and that is all that matters. Truth is a inconvenience.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Semicollegiate

I am not going to answer because many posters have explained and explained in this thread over and over again. Read the thread or wait for someone else to explain. I'll let Gryphon66 take over. He got more patience than me.

Oh and btw



Mass propaganda and authoritarianism like I said.


Do you consider giving people equal rights to be authoritarianism?


How do you give it to them without coercion? AKA authoritarianism?

I mean, how do you cause equal rights, actually equal outcomes to the lefties, to happen without coercion?

Equal rights originally meant no interference in the use of natural ability, that hurts no one else.

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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:38 PM
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I mean, how do you cause equal rights, actually equal outcomes to the lefties, to happen without coercion?


I see your point. It is not a coercion. Studying the history of the USA one see that the right-wing people want to control people. Take slavery and women's right for example. It is the right-wing people who want to keep the status quo. How do you go about to prevent that from happening?

So you see the right is more about control.



Equal rights originally meant no interference in the use of natural ability, that hurts no one else.


Apparently the right-wing people don't want that. Now you see?



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:57 PM
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Unfortunately there is more than one definition of left.

The original definitions of left and right came from the French Revolution. Left meant the completely new rational democratic way and right meant the old way with tolerable tentatively experimental changes.

According to that definition, modern left is right; since social security, federal mandates, and income taxes are the status quo, and right is left; because the right wants a modern state that has never existed before.

The normal definition of left that most people use is Democratic Socialist or Liberal or Statist.

And all normal politics is left, in that it is collectivist and statist.

Or in other words, both sides want to use the state instead of voting with their time to do what they think should be done.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
I mean, how do you cause equal rights, actually equal outcomes to the lefties, to happen without coercion?

I don't think even lefties see those two things as being the same.


Equal rights originally meant no interference in the use of natural ability, that hurts no one else.

Fascists are down with that.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:08 PM
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You missed the "hurts no one else" part.

Fascists are more likely to offer a deal you can't refuse instead of a law or regulation.



posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Unfortunately there is more than one definition of left.

The original definitions of left and right came from the French Revolution. Left meant the completely new rational democratic way and right meant the old way with tolerable tentatively experimental changes.

According to that definition, modern left is right; since social security, federal mandates, and income taxes are the status quo, and right is left; because the right wants a modern state that has never existed before.

The normal definition of left that most people use is Democratic Socialist or Liberal or Statist.

And all normal politics is left, in that it is collectivist and statist.

Or in other words, both sides want to use the state instead of voting with their time to do what they think should be done.



Yes, it comes from the left and right sides of the French National Assembly.
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posted on Aug, 24 2015 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Unfortunately there is more than one definition of left.

The original definitions of left and right came from the French Revolution. Left meant the completely new rational democratic way and right meant the old way with tolerable tentatively experimental changes.

According to that definition, modern left is right; since social security, federal mandates, and income taxes are the status quo, and right is left; because the right wants a modern state that has never existed before.

The normal definition of left that most people use is Democratic Socialist or Liberal or Statist.

And all normal politics is left, in that it is collectivist and statist.

Or in other words, both sides want to use the state instead of voting with their time to do what they think should be done.


Uh, what exactly do you think the term 'Conservative' means?




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