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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

Well when you tell people to shut up and go cry in the corner and what ever other ad hom you can think of, what do you think that is trying to accomplish?
Does that really promote the discussion you say you want?

When you say racist and bigoted things, you should expect to be called so.
Not to say people don't take that to far and say it with no basis in reality, but to act as if things don't get said that are in fact racist or bigoted is sticking your head in the ground.



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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I don't care what they say, I see elements of fascism in the ultra-patriotic in Conservative media. How about the Conservative radio host who flat out demanded that we enslave illegal immigrants?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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What "the right" has tried desperately to sell for the last few years in the US, is that "the left" is about totalitarian control of the people by government.

Of course, the closest examples we have seen evidence of that kind of activity come under Republican Congresses, Presidents, State Houses and Sheriffs, to name a few.

But, that don't stop the true believers.

The actual Left believes that government exists for one thing and one thing only: the good of the People, aka the General Welfare. The American Left believes, generally, that government should protect the rights of all citizens and provide equal treatment under the law.

The American Right believes in authoritarian government control just as long as their people are in power. When they are not in power is the only time the Right criticizes government. (Witness the patriotic drum-banging for GW Bush and love of the Government and the Presidency ... until the Democrats started to gain power again in 2008.) They don't want to see revenues spent on social programs, education, et. al. they want to see it spent on war weapons, corporate handouts and, of course, religion and associated activities.

In most meaningful ways, sadly, I would argue, the Libertarian party has been subsumed by the Right and the Tea Party movements or is limited to a sort of fringe status, as are the Greens, the Constitutionals, the Communists, et. al.




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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: olbe66

"opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and Anarchism" does not mean a 180 degree opposite.

The legal authority levels against individuals is the difference.

In this case, those authority levels are not too different.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: Danke

Well 30 pages I guess comes up smaller on the net.
I disagree that it is institutionalized.
I agree that it happens, but don't agree it is the norm.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
And people can't seem to take criticism anymore without calling the whambulance and screaming PC police brutality.


Can we bronze this on a plaque and display it somewhere? Probably not, I guess I'll just QFT it then.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr

originally posted by: beezzer

Can we all agree that any form of government that dictates every aspect of how you live your life is bad?


No we must pigeon hole each other into the smallest of boxes never to change.


You have an owl avatar, I must object based on the picture alone.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: beezzer

Can we all agree that any form of government that dictates every aspect of how you live your life is bad?




I agree with that Beez. Now let's go get a beer while these people fight about definitions of things they don't understand. By the time their done we should be fairly tanked up and won't care anyway.


*meh*

It's friday, I'll buy the first round if you get the pool table lined up.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: Danke

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Danke

Except there is no laws about forcing people to do that.
We can disagree that practices are not good, but no one is forcing them to do it.


You can make claims that the mentality goes to both sides.


Well when the laws aren't there, the idea is to have trial by social media/MSM. That or people will be punished simply for not thinking a certain way or going along with what is PC.


Most call that exercising your First Amendment right.


I appreciate the reply, but seriously read that article...at least part of it. It isn't partisan in any way other than that it might scare the crap out of you and make you a bit depressed.


Since when did someone else's opinion force you to do anything?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: xuenchen

I don't care what they say, I see elements of fascism in the ultra-patriotic in Conservative media. How about the Conservative radio host who flat out demanded that we enslave illegal immigrants?


But ultra-Patriotism is demanded in all Communist systems as well.

And slavery has played a part too.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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They don't call them ReichWingers for nothing



Die Republicans, Die!
(that's German for The Republicans, The)





posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
If Fascism is "Right wing", how does Right leaning Libertarianism and genuine Conservatism fit in?

Both ideals prohibit big government and require no mass authority.



People are probably confusing the terms

conservative and the left when it comes to politics.

Conservatism the blind lefties see as social conservatism
which being anti-authoritarian (they think)
is an anathema to them.
The left sees conservatism as everything
their parents said they should not do.

They really don't understand that

political conservatism is a different animal than social conservatism.

Political conservatism is for the
smallest government possible,
and the greatest amount of freedom possible.

Liberalism is for the
largest government possible
and the least amount of personal freedom possible.

However liberalism as a social construct
is for unrestricted sexual activity, (to include abortion, gay marriage etc.)
unrestricted drug usage,
and unrestricted anything that parents don't want kids to do.

Under neo-liberalism, the new liberalism,
sexual activity is to be totally unrestricted
and drug usage etc is to be totally unrestricted.
However, all other aspects of life are to be
tightly controlled by the nanny state
who will tell us all what is the most fair and right way to live and behave.

Under the left's definition of conservatism.
They see sexual activity and drug usage
as being too tightly controlled,
which is somewhat true of conservatives.
However, most conservatives want the government
to leave them alone except to protect and defend,
small government with the least amount of nanny interference possible.

The conundrum of the social versus the political
being mixed up in the current policies;
ie polar opposites of each other.
Has caused a great deal of confusion for liberals
who really don't understand what political conservatism
is and only see the social conservatism and judge the political by the social.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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So you get to re-define what liberalism is with a pejorative like fascism. This is not rational argument, this is simply name-calling.

This is a primitive style, but it gets the mouth-breathers to yell “USA, USA….” Ad nausea. Nice job typifying modern conservative politics.


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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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Well Hitler certainly though he was on the right and hated everything to do with the left. He eliminated socialist and leftist parties in Germany and jailed its supporters, he attacked labor unions, harassing and jailing leadership until they had a Nazi Party official places in control, obviously the leftist ideal of equality was the exact opposite of what Hitler stood for, and welfare for the weak and sick? Nope. Death for them. Fascist regimes being called far left would be like calling Communist far right.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

So you are just going to completely ignore the fact that it was a Conservative who made that suggestion huh?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad

Yes BUT if one says something long enough it has to be true, right?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: [post=19723473]grandmakdw[/post

Words is all your party has left. That is a shame.


It is a real shame that insults are the only thing
liberals have left.

Racist, bigot, homophobe, such
really tired old cliches that have lost their meaning
now that we won't put up will being bullied anymore.


Look at Europe and at places that have put
liberal policies into effect, they are falling apart
at an alarming rate.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Danke

Well 30 pages I guess comes up smaller on the net.
I disagree that it is institutionalized.
I agree that it happens, but don't agree it is the norm.





Sorry 26 pages. Ctrl+P and you can see the print preview that lists the number of pages.

The only reason it hasn't taken over completely is that logical people who aren't afraid of SJW's aren't backing down. The idea here is that it has been getting progressively worse in a very short period of time.

Like I said earlier, this wasn't at all representative of the left or extreme left 20+ years ago. This is something that has been increasing exponentially over the last 5-10 years.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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Oh good grief:




Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during World War I, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and Anarchism. Fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4]


Fascism - Wikipedia


For those of you who value belief over facts, you can call an apple an orange or a goat or an aardvark ... it doesn't make it so.

But THAT is what fascism means, has meant, and will mean.

You folks confuse fascism for totalitarianism in the same way you confuse socialism for social welfare programs.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: xuenchen

I don't care what they say, I see elements of fascism in the ultra-patriotic in Conservative media. How about the Conservative radio host who flat out demanded that we enslave illegal immigrants?


How about our current Vice President that flat out told a building full of black voters that republicans would put chains on them again if elected? They're one in the same except the media brushes off one, while chomping ravenously at the other. I wonder why?



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