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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LDragonFire

Reagan was a Republican when he was elected President.

He was also a former Democrat.

He was also very Authoritarian.

Reagan was not a genuine Conservative (Individualist).



Then I can count on you to take a stand with me against Reagan's divisive and destructive non-Conservative economic policies, now commonly referred to "Reaganomics"?

Awesome!




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: beezzer
Both the left and the right could be accused of such.

That is exactly why the OP is wrong.

Saying that Fascism is authoritarian so it must be left is incorrect.


But the genuine Conservative "Right" does not promote authoritarian policies.





Then by every definition of what the political right means, your Conservative "Right" doesn't exist.

If your Conservatives opposed authoritarian policies, they are "Left."

That's the definition.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

The chart you present isn't in-line with what people consider to be "right-wing" and "left-wing". The fact is politics is not two dimensional. Most such charts incorporate two dimensions, which is probably good enough for a rough idea of where people stand politically.

And there is another thing, the far right of your chart IS NOT anarchism. No, the far right of your chart is pacifism because ultimately that chart you produce is a chart defining under what circumstances violence should be used. If someone thinks that violence is always an option to consider first for every topic, then they are despotic as you say.

There are a few anarchists out there who would not have any issue with defending a weakly defined property like a plot of land with lethal force. So, if you were on "their land", they would prefer to just shoot you dead on the spot. To a pacifist, that would be absolutely unthinkable and just as bad as a despotic government type.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: Hefficide

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LDragonFire

Reagan was a Republican when he was elected President.

He was also a former Democrat.

He was also very Authoritarian.

Reagan was not a genuine Conservative (Individualist).



Then I can count on you to take a stand with me against Reagan's divisive and destructive non-Conservative economic policies, now commonly referred to "Reaganomics"?

Awesome!


For the most part yes.

But those policies were compromises.

The House of Representatives was Democrat majority for Reagan's entire 2 terms.

And those policies are/were very authoritarian yes?




edit on Aug-23-2015 by xuenchen because: [-y-]77



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Hefficide

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LDragonFire

Reagan was a Republican when he was elected President.

He was also a former Democrat.

He was also very Authoritarian.

Reagan was not a genuine Conservative (Individualist).



Then I can count on you to take a stand with me against Reagan's divisive and destructive non-Conservative economic policies, now commonly referred to "Reaganomics"?

Awesome!


For the most part yes.

But those policies were compromises.

The House of Representatives was Democrat majority for Reagan's entire 2 terms.

And those policies are/were very authoritarian yes?




edit on Aug-23-2015 by xuenchen because: [-y-]77



So our current economic mess is the fault of the Republican House (2010) and the Republican Senate (2014)?

May I quote you?
edit on 15Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:37:43 -050015p032015866 by Gryphon66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

So our current economic mess is the fault of the Republican House (2010) and the Republican Senate (2014)?

May I quote you?


What does one or the other have to do with Reagan?

And what economic mess?

Obama signs all the Bills right?




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

So our current economic mess is the fault of the Republican House (2010) and the Republican Senate (2014)?

May I quote you?


What does one or the other have to do with Reagan?

And what economic mess?

Obama signs all the Bills right?




LOL, Typical. Okay ...

What does it have to do with Obama?

May I quote you in your statement that the party in control of Congress at any given time is responsible, or at least, co-responsible for government policies and for the state of the country especially the economy, or not?
edit on 15Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:40:49 -050015p032015866 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

So our current economic mess is the fault of the Republican House (2010) and the Republican Senate (2014)?

May I quote you?


You can quote yourself any time you want.

I never said what you just said did I ????

Typical Chubby Checker twist.

And very authoritarian.




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

LOL, Typical. Okay ...

What does it have to do with Obama?

May I quote you in your statement that the party in control of Congress at any given time is responsible, or at least, co-responsible for government policies and for the state of the country especially the economy, or not?



Where did I say any of that ??

Are you getting desperate?




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

So our current economic mess is the fault of the Republican House (2010) and the Republican Senate (2014)?

May I quote you?


You can quote yourself any time you want.

I never said what you just said did I ????

Typical Chubby Checker twist.

And very authoritarian.





HAH! Caught you.

No you didn't say it. You would never say anything approaching that level of clarity in your writing.

You wouldn't have room to squirm.

Perhaps you'll expand on what you did say then:



But those policies were compromises.

The House of Representatives was Democrat majority for Reagan's entire 2 terms.

And those policies are/were very authoritarian yes?


And speaking of classic music ... here, I'll play your theme song for you while we wait ...




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

LOL, Typical. Okay ...

What does it have to do with Obama?

May I quote you in your statement that the party in control of Congress at any given time is responsible, or at least, co-responsible for government policies and for the state of the country especially the economy, or not?



Where did I say any of that ??

Are you getting desperate?




We're waiting Xuenchen ... 'plain it to us. Tell us how a Democratic House forged Reagan's economic policies, or as GHW Bush liked to call it ... "Voodoo Economics."

We'll wait ... I know you love your song ... "turn turn turn, spin spin spin ... "

Turn means the same thing as spin, right? LOL



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Reagan was not a genuine Conservative (Individualist).

No government could ever be "genuine Conservative" because it would mean that there would be no government.

Both you and the article in the OP are being dishonest in your iuse of terms. You use "genuine Conservative" to try and associate dead right with american conservatives, the OP uses "ancient barbarism" to try to paint it as something undesired but the truth is that the proper political term is Anarchism.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I will bow to your authority.

Reaganomics and the Democrats

I will obey.

I put Reagan and the 1980s Democrats at "-5" on the freedom meter




and here's your new theme song just for you....





posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: xuenchen

No government could ever be "genuine Conservative" because it would mean that there would be no government.



Genuine Conservatives would have very limited government.




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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The rhetoric used by the Republican party and its supporters (Fox News Channel, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, etc.), in the last couple of decades particularly, attempts to cast the Democrats as against the Constitution, as autocrats, as purveyors of "big government," and as supporters of what many seem to believe is the "illegal Federal government" over the States and local governments, particularly in the areas of Civil Rights concerns.

In reality, if you observe, it is typically the Democrat who actually quotes from the Constitution, is in favor of an overall reduction in Government control, certainly in the areas of personal freedom and equality, favors "big government" only as far as that government serves the will and needs of the People, and further, reinforces one of the main reasons for the creation of a stronger National Government, to deal with States and localities that would steamroll the civil rights of Americans under their domain were it not for the protections enforced by the Federal Government.

The basic idea that all social programs and a social safety net are "socialist" in nature is really a misnomer, at least in terms of socialism as an economic system, but that term is used (as well as conflated with communism) as a throwback to the 1950s-and 60s Cold War. The Enemy was the Communists for a long time, and anytime a political party can hang that tag on their opponents, well, of course, that party is "the Enemy" as well.

Political shorthand, as it were.

The same phenomenon applies to the ludicrous attempt to rewrite history and call fascism a "left wing" feature.

Paint your "enemy" with the colors of a known and accepted "Enemy."



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You post a blog entry that corresponds with your agenda. Nice.

What do you think?

YOU made the statement about the Democrat authoritarian control of Reagan's policies ... can't you tell us what YOU think and not hide behind what someone ELSE thinks?

BTW:

I like the colors in your chart all rainbow-like and all.

Does this mean you are now willing to share its source with us so that you or we can answer some of these questions that we've been asking for virtually the entire thread???

How the numbers and descriptions were arrived at?

Who gave each category its weight?

Surely that's not too much to ask of you ...

(Really burned you with The Byrds eh? Heheheh)

SPIN SPIN SPIN Foxy Xuenchen!
Perhaps we should start calling you
"The Washing Machine"?

edit on 16Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:21:56 -050015p042015866 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I stated Reagan and the Democrats of the 1980s were Authoritarian.

What changes would YOU make in that unsourced chart of mine?

( the source is a secret ! ) (HaHa)

Why are you so nervous about that chart anyway?


Confucius say:
never accuse anybody of what you yourself are guilty of





posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

A couple pages back you said the Genuine Conservatives would be against taxes. Sounds like Genuine Libertarianism which is synonomous with anarchism.

At no time in american history has there been anything close to that so calling them "conservatives" is a misnomer.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

areweblankedout.blogspot.com...

I believe this is the blogger that created it and the conservative media took it from there.

Could be wrong though.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

I stated Reagan and the Democrats of the 1980s were Authoritarian.

What changes would YOU make in that unsourced chart of mine?

( the source is a secret ! ) (HaHa)

Why are you so nervous about that chart anyway?


Confucius say:
never accuse anybody of what you yourself are guilty of





No, that's not what you said either ... I quoted what you said ... but who cares? You thought you were going to get away with claiming the Congress was responsible for Reagan's policies but you didn't think far enough ahead.

It's okay, it happens.



You've had the multiple flaws in that chart pointed out to you time and time again here. You didn't listen, why would you listen now?

AGAIN: It's linear, it's not based on reality, there's no description of how the items were decided upon or how they were weighted or who by?

Nervous? Jeez Foxy, I told you how much I like the rainbow colors!!! Kinda surprised you like it so much though ...

Saul would be SO PROUD of you though, Mr. Maytag! Master of the Spin Cycle.

Making up quotes now to fit our agenda, are we? Not surprised.

Here's an actual quote that always reminds me of you, Confucius said: Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.

BrainyQuotes - Confucius



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