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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I really don't know. I have read all the posts and have become more confused of what fascism, socialism, communism is anymore. So, I guess it depends on who you ask or where you live. The only conclusion I can come to is, we all feel oppressed and digressing to tribalism (my concept) from fear.


The confusion is exactly what these people with the anti-Left agenda want. They want to blur the lines of reason, definitions and history so that we are looking at the modern Left as the potential oppressors, all while the modern Right continue down the path to Fascism and goose-step their way to the front doors of those they believe should be oppressed.




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: beezzer



Says someone from the left.


Do you or do you not support equality and freedom? Honestly you confuse me. I do not know which side you are on.



We're all so polarized anymore.


Who is at fault?



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

I agree with Orwell. Fascism is a pejorative term, and with the way it is used by all sides, essentially meaningless. Then again I believe the old left/right dichotomy is a false one, and describes very little in terms of actual political positions. But if I had to choose, fascism is extreme right wing fanaticism.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



But if I had to choose, fascism is extreme right wing fanaticism.


OH GOD thank god! Somebody who understands.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien


Do you or do you not support equality and freedom? Honestly you confuse me. I do not know which side you are on.



I do.

But that's the problem.

I support gay marriage.
I support equal rights for all humans, even the unborn.
I support legalization of pot.
I support enforcing immigration laws.
I'm opposed to the government mandating that I buy health insurance.
Yet I think the government should step in and be more proactive with mental health.
I'm strong proponent of the 2nd Amendment.
I also think that if you've done your time in jail, you should be able to vote.

I cant really choose a side.

Because, in the end, if I chose a "side", I'd have to support issues I didn't believe in.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: beezzer

So you are kinda like me... a neutral? On the fence?

Take my advice...

On certain topics I wont say it's better to be neutral.



Because, in the end, if I chose a "side", I'd have to support issues I didn't believe in.


Roflmao yes you are a neutral.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: beezzer

Can I choose for you if I may?



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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I guess George Washington was the ultimate fascist then.




As mankind become more liberal they will be more apt to allow, that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the Community are equally entitled to the protection of civil Government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations in examples of justice and liberality.
- George Washington

Source Fourth paragraph.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: muse7

Be careful. They will accuse the ol Georgie of being a socialist.


edit on 8/23/2015 by Deaf Alien because: Because f you that's why



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Knock yourself out!




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: muse7

Don't forget Tom Paine and his Agrarian Justice.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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The government of the Soviet Union would have likely qualified as totalitarian, although, the affair is not as one-sided as most Americans have been led to believe. (For example, under Stalin, most definitely ... after Stalin? the distribution of power shifts every year before 1991)

However, socialism and communism, to the extent that they represent political systems intermixed with economics, are leftist to the extent that both promote a decentralization of "power for power's sake" and move toward using governmental power for the good of the People.

That is the way in which both systems are "leftist."

Leftists, liberals, et. al. typically hate government authority except insofar as it is used to help People, to promote the general welfare, etc.

In American politics from the 18th century, the Federalists would have been more "right" and the Democratic-Republicans more "left."

There is no direct equivalence between the current American political parties and their organic development other than "historical."


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posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 12:05 PM
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Now, to really tread on some of your beliefs, I would posit that Thomas Jefferson would have been considered a "leftist" at least until he was elected President.

After that, he realized that governing a nation requires a balanced approach, and became more "centrist."

Jefferson was against "the central power" to the extent it denied the rights and welfare of the People.

Republicanism at the time regarded government by representatives of the People as opposed to Monarchy (or Oligarchy, etc.) so try not to get excited that Jefferson's party was often called "the Republican party."

The question came for Jefferson (in an entirely general way of speaking) because the Constitution did two seemingly contradictory things: establishing a strong central government while protecting the rights of the Several States as well as the People.

The COTUS is a document created from COMPROMISE or BALANCE between extremes: national/local, big/small, rich/poor, Government/People.

Jefferson was opposed to the totalitarian-esque Federalists under Hamilton who were propertied and wealthy bankers and businessmen who felt that what was good for business and banking was the best route for the country, also, because they were harshly opposed to the feared "democracy" or rule of the people (through representatives as favored by Jefferson).

In America, in general, I might characterize the "left' overall as formulated about a balance point between authoritarianism and anarchy.

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posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Both the left and the right could be accused of such.

That is exactly why the OP is wrong.

Saying that Fascism is authoritarian so it must be left is incorrect.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: beezzer
Both the left and the right could be accused of such.

That is exactly why the OP is wrong.

Saying that Fascism is authoritarian so it must be left is incorrect.


But the genuine Conservative "Right" does not promote authoritarian policies.




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

That doesn't mean that those to the left of them but right of center don't.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

That doesn't mean that those to the left of them but right of center don't.


So where does the article establish a "Center" ?




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

At 5, not that it means anything.

ETA: Just noticed that the founding fathers are dead center and the only two options on the right are libertarianism and ancient barbarism. What a joke.
edit on 23-8-2015 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: beezzer
Both the left and the right could be accused of such.

That is exactly why the OP is wrong.

Saying that Fascism is authoritarian so it must be left is incorrect.


But the genuine Conservative "Right" does not promote authoritarian policies.





So Reagan's tough on crime sentencing policies that are slowly being eliminated along with there zero tolerant school policies that are also being replaced, were not authoritarian? Nothing about black box voting, or the department of homeland security or the patriot act are authoritarian? All of these policies were brought by Conservatives!!!

Oh sorry you said "genuine" whatever that's supposed to mean.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

Reagan was a Republican when he was elected President.

He was also a former Democrat.

He was also very Authoritarian.

Reagan was not a genuine Conservative (Individualist).




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