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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



A specious claim if I've ever seen one.


I suppose you have a counterclaim to what I said?




posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Smartass.

Both the left and the right could be accused of such.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Deaf Alien

And it has nothing to do with either fascism OR socialism OR communism, all of which are statist ideologies.

The American right wing is not any of the three above.



So you don't think supporting legislation that would prevent same sex couples from getting married is not a Statist infringement of personal liberties? How about rezoning Congressional districts to disenfranchise members of specific ethnic groups? Attempting to make access to birth control more difficult in order to appease the Church? What American Right are you thinking about? (Oh, and let's not forget feeding the Military Industrial Complex!)


Exactly. Right wing fascism.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

That the right are brain-washed? I don't need to.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: beezzer
I guess I'm not that bright.

If an individual in under the yoke of an oppressive government, does it really matter what type of oppression it is?

The answers/solutions are all the same. You get rid of the oppressors.


And that paints the context of the conversation. Right now people of a certain bent see central government as the oppressor because of taxation.

However our form of centralized, representative governance evolved in direct response to the oppression inherent in the feudal nature of a world without central, representative governance.

The pendulum has swung and now the solution to the previous oppression is being seen as a new oppression.

Is there a balance to be found that would make everyone happy? Obviously not. Both systems lend to some form of abuse and middle grounds tend to open up the potential for even more abuses. The one thing I do know is that going back to the feudal model doesn't solve anything.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: beezzer



Smartass.


Sighs you were being a smartass yourself.



Both the left and the right could be accused of such.


RIGHT!!!!!!

Now as per the topic in your opinion is fascism far left?

Discuss the topic please.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I guess you wont reply properly.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

To a baseless argument? Probably not.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien

Now as per the topic in your opinion is fascism far left?
Discuss the topic please.


Yes.

And no.



If you're a leftist, then fascism is an example of fight-wing ideology.
If you're right-wing, then fascism is an example of leftist ideology.

It's become obvious to me that everyone prefers the "yoke of oppression" that they, themselves, create. Because they don't consider it a "yoke" if it is something they desire.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



To a baseless argument? Probably not.


I guess you haven't read the whole thread.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide

And that paints the context of the conversation. Right now people of a certain bent see central government as the oppressor because of taxation.



I've often thought of our current form of government as soft despotism.


Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people.


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

Now as per the topic in your opinion is fascism far left?
Discuss the topic please.


Yes.

And no.



If you're a leftist, then fascism is an example of fight-wing ideology.
If you're right-wing, then fascism is an example of leftist ideology.

It's become obvious to me that everyone prefers the "yoke of oppression" that they, themselves, create. Because they don't consider it a "yoke" if it is something they desire.


This is all too confusing. I like you but please don't confuse yourself.

The left is all about freedom.
The right is all about control.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: beezzer



Smartass.


Sighs you were being a smartass yourself.



Both the left and the right could be accused of such.


RIGHT!!!!!!

Now as per the topic in your opinion is fascism far left?

Discuss the topic please.


OK, let's take the words "left" and "right" out of it.

There is a line. On one end is maximal government control and authority and on the other end is maximal personal control and liberty. On one end is no individual rights as all belongs to and flows from the central authority. On the other end, almost all power and all rights are kept to the individual.

This is the line as it stands in the US. We should be closer to the maximal control to the individual end. We are not and it doesn't which party is in charge.

A good dose of true minarchist governance would push us back toward the freer extreme, but too many enjoy the government having that central authority because people resent not having the power to compel others to do as they want. What do you think the soda law in New York is all about? Why do you think free range parents are so maligned?
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posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

I guess you're wrong again. A thread isn't indicative of the political landscape.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: beezzer

I don't believe that is true. This entire narrative that fascism is leftist has been spawned by those that cannot be honest and bear the burden of admitting that fascism is a right wing ideology.

Those of us on the Left have to admit and account for communism and what has been done in it's name over the course of history. We cannot hide from that.

The people on the Right need to admit and account for fascism and what has been done it it's name. If we don't, we risk letting the Right Wing political machine to continue down it's current path and tragically repeat the horrors we experienced by fascist regimes.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I'll make you a one time deal! If you can cite a single successful and free minarchistic or Libertarian nation, I will, immediately promise to always include a positive and glowing reference to it in every single political thread I participate in.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I really don't know. I have read all the posts and have become more confused of what fascism, socialism, communism is anymore. So, I guess it depends on who you ask or where you live. The only conclusion I can come to is, we all feel oppressed and digressing to tribalism (my concept) from fear.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko



OK, let's take the words "left" and "right" out of it.


Why leave them out? It's in the OP and the title! It's there! That's what we are discussing!



This is the line as it stands in the US. We should be closer to the maximal control to the individual end. We are not and it doesn't which party is in charge.



Allright. So we are in their control right now? And now you saying it doesn't matter what party is in charge. You are going off the topic.




What do you think the soda law in New York is all about?


Please explain. And explain how is that relevant to this topic.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

Now as per the topic in your opinion is fascism far left?
Discuss the topic please.


Yes.

And no.



If you're a leftist, then fascism is an example of fight-wing ideology.
If you're right-wing, then fascism is an example of leftist ideology.

It's become obvious to me that everyone prefers the "yoke of oppression" that they, themselves, create. Because they don't consider it a "yoke" if it is something they desire.


This is all too confusing. I like you but please don't confuse yourself.

The left is all about freedom.
The right is all about control.


Says someone from the left.

lolz

We're all so polarized anymore.



posted on Aug, 23 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



I guess you're wrong again. A thread isn't indicative of the political landscape.


The title of this thread is:

Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

Do you or do you not agree with that? Why or why not?




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