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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
I wonder how many times I have to post this before people will read and understand it... www.prisonplanet.com...

Maybe your the one who has it wrong?




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Then again, you didn't read the post. At all. As usual.

Sorry you failed so miserably in your attempt to be snide.


Did you say look in the mirror?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Oh, you mean the form of government that never was.

Yes, everything is left of "genuine Conservatism".



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: woodwardjnr

You might be describing the Left of Center American Republicans.



Oh I thought it must be from left of center American republicans.

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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I think s lot of right wingers use cultural Marxism as a uniting theory about everything right wing conspiracy theorists hate about modern culture. Things like political correctness and feminism. It's actually rarely understood by those who use the term, it's just seen as something with the term Marxism attached to it to scare their right wing buddies. Anders breivik spoke a lot about it in his manifesto.


Agreed. Cultural Marxism is one of those really scary sounding phrases that has just a little smack of the intellectual about it (since even the dullest right-winger usually recognizes that Marxist thought does have a role in academia ... even though they have no comprehension of what Marxist thought is, or what Marx actually said.)

You can easily tell from the ham-handed attempt to use it above that individuals have no idea what they're talking about ... or that there are multiple distinctions even on Communism ... Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism ... etc. etc.

They literally soil their underoos when anyone points out that Tom Paine was probably one of the first advocates of Socialism. (That is, if they know who Tom Paine was.) That is, not counting Jesus Christ.

Or that the Founding Fathers were traditional leftists ... particularly in their hatred of monarchy.

Or that America has been a mixed economy incorporating socialism since the 1930s.


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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Maybe you should give up the paltry attempts at mud-slinging ... you really aren't very skilled at it.

LOL.

Okay, stop. Just for a second.

If you'd like to truly, honestly communicate one thing to me about your political positions ... what would it be?

No snark, no BS ... just ... tell me something you believe. I promise, I won't even ask for factual backup.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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The Fascist conception of life is a religious one (7), in which man is viewed in his immanent relation to a higher law, endowed with an objective will transcending the individual and raising him to conscious membership of a spiritual society. "Those who perceive nothing beyond opportunistic considerations in the religious policy of the Fascist regime fail to realize that Fascism is not only a system of government but also and above all a system of thought.



In the Fascist conception of history, man is man only by virtue of the spiritual process to which he contributes as a member of the family, the social group, the nation, and in function of history to which all nations bring their contribution. Hence the great value of tradition in records, in language, in customs, in the rules of social life (8). Outside history man is a nonentity.



Fascism is therefore opposed to all individualistic abstractions based on eighteenth century materialism; and it is opposed to all Jacobinistic utopias and innovations.



Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State (16).



Fascism does not, generally speaking, believe in the possibility or utility of perpetual peace. It therefore discards pacifism as a cloak for cowardly supine renunciation in contradistinction to self-sacrifice. War alone keys up all human energies to their maximum tension and sets the seal of nobility on those peoples who have the courage to face it. All other tests are substitutes which never place a man face to face with himself before the alternative of life or death.



Such a conception of life makes Fascism the resolute negation of the doctrine underlying so-called scientific and Marxian socialism, the doctrine of historic materialism which would explain the history of mankind in terms of the class struggle and by changes in the processes and instruments of production, to the exclusion of all else.



In rejecting democracy, Fascism rejects the absurd conventional lie of political equalitarianism, the habit of collective irresponsibility, the myth of felicity and indefinite progress.


Same link



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I agree on much of that, but show me where the economic model of communism has anything to do with or being close to fascism.

Communism is a leftist theory and Fascism is a far right wing marriage of corporate and state. In a truly Leftist system, there wouldn't be a corporate structure at all. It would be ran by the state.

Why can't people grasp that?


Ok let's look at this as logically as we can. If the far left is communism and communism is a state run apparatus, say the State runs, and centrally plans all the means of production in the factories and farms and what not.... and the far right is... well you say the marriage of state and corporate.... but now comes a leader and he bails out the private auto industry with taxpayer monies forced upon them by his dictate and therefore socializes that corporation. Consider this...

In firing the CEO of General Motors (GM) this week and suggesting bankruptcy may be the best course for that company and Chrysler, President Barack Obama demonstrated forcefully that the Administration will go only so far to rescue even the country's most important icons.
www.businessweek.com...
So, wow! The President of the US FIRED a CEO Of a private corporation... or not so private once the bailout gave control to him. The Executive Branch of govt is making corporate decisions for an auto company. Wow and you want to call that right wing?????? I'm sure we can find other examples of what we are discussing.
In fact let's look at this: the Left frequently complains that corporations are controlling government and they call that fascism and of course right wing, because under communism there would be no corporations only state run factories.... but what happened here in the auto industry, government is dictating to corporations, just the opposite....
The same could be suggested for other regulations that control industry and make corporation subject to whatever political whim the current govt wants, for example Cimate Change where government dictates that corporations do certain things to help the environment or be sacked and fined. Look how the government is dictating the terms of an entire segment of the economy. I'm talking about Obamacare. Look how much government control is now over the entire health industry.
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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

Oh, you mean the form of government that never was.

Yes, everything is left of "genuine Conservatism".


The utopian libertarian ideal?

Where we all just live in perfect cooperative harmony, with no laws, no central authority, taking what we need and no more, working together for the good of all?

Wait a dern minute! Are you talking about libertarianism or socialism???

Because, you know, that's how Marx described the eventual socialist state as well.

So ... libertarianism is socialism too???

IT'S ALL A LEFTIST PLOT!!!!
EVERYTHING IS LEFTIST!!!!
ARRRGGGH!



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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Maybe comparisons to the Marx Ten Planks will show some similarities that have major impacts on people.

What does Fascism use?






posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

Oh, you mean the form of government that never was.

Yes, everything is left of "genuine Conservatism".


It exists in many rural American areas.

Not 100%, but close.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Dang! That ol' Marx guy had some decent ideas!

I've heard Donald Trump promote a few of them. (Like #4 and #5 particularly)

Uh, should we tell anyone that Trump is a Marxist, er, Communist, er ... whatever?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I really don't believe there is any point in trying to argue with them about this anymore. If they have to use links to articles written by loons, why bother?

This entire narrative of "Fascism/National Socialism= Left" has been part of a propaganda campaign to equate those extremes to the modern political Left.

Those of us on the Left had to admit that there are some harsh extremes in history that must be attributed to a Leftist ideology. Communism, etc. But when it comes to people on the Right and their historical extremes, Nazis, Fascism, etc, they just can't do it. They HAVE to find some way to twist history and understanding to make it seem like those, as well, came from a Leftist ideology.

But that is simply not the case.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

Oh, you mean the form of government that never was.

Yes, everything is left of "genuine Conservatism".


It exists in many rural American areas.

Not 100%, but close.



Except you can't name any of them specifically ... not even one.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Libertarianism at any level is difficult to achieve because of the bigger governments, not because of Libertarian failures.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
It exists in many rural American areas.

Not 100%, but close.

No it doesn't.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Libertarianism at any level is difficult to achieve because of the bigger governments, not because of Libertarian failures.

The existance of bigger governments is the result of Libertarian failures.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

Except you can't name any of them specifically ... not even one.


Some are right right here in illinois

Less dependent on county and state and federal laws and authorities.

Every State has some.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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Because, you know, that's how Marx described the eventual socialist state as well.


He also described the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" which is the leadership of the proletariat gets to dictate to those greedy fat cat 1 per centers and deliberately dismiss them from decision making and power positions. Just sounds like sour grapes to me.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus



It is odd how people are arguing that fascism allows freedom, and I ask you, if that were so, how come the SS went in and confiscated the wealth and property of the Jewish people and those who supported them?


I never said anything like that. Why are you projecting nonsense in response to me?



Did you know that the leftist billionaire socialist George Soros.


You're not going to go the nutbag route, are you?



The true evidence is before you and yet you willfully ignore it.


How does that example prove fascism is Leftist? Nutbag road it is.......



A truly right wing conservativism disallows that kind of control of the State in favor of a more laissez faire system


That has nothing to do with the topic.



I ask you truly, why do leftists communists and socialists decry laissez faire?


No all do. Do some research and you will find that many happen to agree with it.



Hitler himself was said to have espoused animal rights. Who do we see on the political spectrum doing that today? That's right it's the Left.


Yes he did. Do you know what propaganda is? Hitler also said in a speech that us researchers call the "Red Bait" that he was a socialist. His intent was to get more socialists in to the party because they were rejecting fascists National Socialism. Read up, my friend.



That's right, it's the political left who think that eating meat is a luxury and Americans should be punished for it.


Nonsense. Those are nutbag extremists. That is not a leftist ideology.



That's one of the concepts of Agenda 21 by the way, which is also very leftist at present. Who is in the Club of Rome which is behind Agenda 21? Why it's people like Al Gore and Bill Gates, who want to tell us how much meat to eat, who want to control our personal water wells on private property, Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is involved heavily in the UN, and heavily involved in Common Core. It is an NGO. It is heavily Progressive and involved with depopulation and vaccines.
I rest my case.


Sounds like you need some rest. That is all conspiratorial, Alex Jones-style garbage.

Get a grip man.



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