It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

page: 15
23
<< 12  13  14    16  17  18 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:45 PM
link   
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

You're butting in where you don't comprehend what you're talking about, YET again.

Teikiatsu has noted on several occasions the number of stars their posts received, as some sort of proof.

What were you saying earlier about being ignorant? Perhaps if you looked in the mirror, first.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:46 PM
link   

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: introvert

Does it really matter?

If the individual has less freedom then defining the 'ism" doesn't mean much.


What freedoms have you personally lost Beezzer?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:51 PM
link   

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Hefficide

Comparing charts, what are the direct negative impacts on the majority of individuals ?



Obviously it depends on who the individual is. The shift from corporate taxes was mostly felt in the Social Insurance and retirement category. Since Social Security has a cap ( meaning all income after $118,500.00 in income is exempt ), obviously the people making less than that are most effected.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:54 PM
link   
a reply to: introvert

a propaganda technique is not equivalent to the government structure.

sex appeal sells booze and deodorant and yet they are different products.

Socialist/communist invoke nationalism often to nationalize industries, Soviets often call WW2 "The Great Patriot War" and used many types of nationalism to rally the country.
Scotland left of the UK in general invoked nationalism in their referendum vote. counter examples on and on.
Propagandist use what works best. If giving out free puppies made everyone happy and made them vote for you propagandist would do that.


Stalin genocided the Ukranians before Hitler did the better germany.

The right wing likes to demonize those who do not fit in with white christian culture*
fixed. and the left wing likes to demonize the white christian culture. It's a culture war, everyone knows. The melting pot was abandoned years ago, it was bound to happen.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:55 PM
link   
The positions of "the right" and "conservatives" in America were to value traditions, conformity and obedience to authority and the law, and to sustain the belief that government exists to impose order and security for the People.

The positions of "the left" and "liberals" in America were to question authority, traditions, and conformity, and to promote the belief that the government exists for the greatest good or welfare of the People.

Can we start there for some meaningful discussion?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:59 PM
link   

originally posted by: Hefficide
originally posted by: xuenchen

Obviously it depends on who the individual is. The shift from corporate taxes was mostly felt in the Social Insurance and retirement category. Since Social Security has a cap ( meaning all income after $118,500.00 in income is exempt ), obviously the people making less than that are most effected.


And those making the "lesser" incomes are probably in the majority.

Good point.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:02 PM
link   

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: beezzer

Hyperbole.

Being required to hold a valid license to drive is less freedom but, most people don't equate it to a boot on the neck.


Ironically, the Social Security number was supposedly only meant to identify people within the social security network, now look how many corporations and organizations require this number to be used to identify you for some other purpose. Why does your local eyecare place in the shopping mall want your SS? How did this transition take place? I personally think the SS number is an important element of the mark of the beast.


What if there are no "sixes" in the SSN?

How do you explain that?

(Just a curiosity ... mine actually does end in 666.)

(Then again, apparently the "original" Number of the Beast was 616.)

So, let me see if I can see where you're going with the whole SSN thing ...

Essentially, your argument is that liberals, Democrats, progressives, et. al. are the Tools of the Devil?

Have I got that about right?
edit on 15Sat, 22 Aug 2015 15:02:44 -050015p032015866 by Gryphon66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:02 PM
link   

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
It's really a matter of degree. Of course all societies have rules and restrictions on freedom.

Which is why the small differences, which some might consider splitting hairs, do make a difference to everyone who doesn't see things in black and white.


Incrementally, we have been losing our freedoms in America which our Founding Fathers fought the Revolutionary War to secure for us.

There is the mistake that americans make. Those who fought the revolutionary war secured their freedom. You have to secure yours. No good intention on their part or piece of paper set forth as a guideline will ever do that for you.


You know, there are a lot of people who accept certain limitations of freedom as long as their personal pet issue is rewarded by the confines of the State.

That is the balancing act that society has become. Not just the US either. If the majority of citizens have their basic needs met then you avoid revolutions.

TPTB figured it out and chances are that no one group will ever gain enough traction to make sweeping changes.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:03 PM
link   
a reply to: Gryphon66

How do we then classify rural towns (for example) that only party depend on bigger governments like counties and states and federal?

Many have limited dependence and lesser impacts on individuals.






posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:05 PM
link   
a reply to: jellyrev

Hello 1960! ... there are no Soviets anymore ... these days we call them Russians (and Romanians, Lithuanians, Bulgarians, etc.)

Do you know anything about Russian history? Do you know how many died in WW2? Do you know how much they hated the Nazis?

Knowledge is power.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:08 PM
link   

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

How do we then classify rural towns (for example) that only party depend on bigger governments like counties and states and federal?

Many have limited dependence and lesser impacts on individuals.







How many of your example towns don't have governments of any kind? Do you have an example in mind?

I'd rather look at specifics rather than musing about what-ifs.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:12 PM
link   
Has anyone ever read the words of Mussolini on Fascism? Try it sometime.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:14 PM
link   
a reply to: Gryphon66

Rural towns have much smaller governments than the counties and states they are in.

How would classify their political spectrum?

Please don't deflect.

The conversations are simmering down finally.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:16 PM
link   

originally posted by: Kali74

Has anyone ever read the words of Mussolini on Fascism? Try it sometime.


Good Piece.

Sounds like it's very anti-Conservative and anti-Individualist.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:19 PM
link   
a reply to: xuenchen

Deflect??? Are you kidding?

I asked you to name a specific town so we can deal with facts rather than supposition.

So name one. Because small towns that I am personally aware of run the American political gamut from one end to the other.

You can name a town that you have in mind, right?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:20 PM
link   

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Kali74

Has anyone ever read the words of Mussolini on Fascism? Try it sometime.


Good Piece.

Sounds like it's very anti-Conservative and anti-Individualist.





This is your idea of keeping things calm?

Hypocrite.





posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:31 PM
link   
a reply to: xuenchen

It was. It was also anti-socialist and anti-communist.

Who says someone can't be against conservatives and commies at the same time?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:33 PM
link   
a reply to: Gryphon66

Little child, you've addressed nothing. Are you really so dense you don't understand the political ideology of cultural Marxism?

Keep sidestepping that one.


Any of this sound familiar?

Communist Goals:

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.


Please do address these aspects of cultural Marxism. I eagerly await your preprogrammed answer. Will it rhyme with mainstream media? I bet you it will. How will you avoid the point this time I wonder.

Also, there were no real last Emperor. He abdicated and never had a chance to sit on the throne.

Darkness gathers. The Demons begin to stir.. such a foolish quote from a foolish man. Doesn't surprise me that you would idolize such a clueless shill.

Such an unfortunate quote for you to flaunt about. You're lucky you rank so low nobody important would ever take an interest in you.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:35 PM
link   

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

It was. It was also anti-socialist and anti-communist.

Who says someone can't be against conservatives and commies at the same time?


So that places Fascism a little bit to the Right of Communism and Socialism, and well to the Left of genuine Conservatism.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:37 PM
link   
a reply to: xuenchen

Read the whole thing...



new topics

top topics



 
23
<< 12  13  14    16  17  18 >>

log in

join