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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: Hefficide

I wanted to thank you for your very apropos comments, it's like a ray of light in the muck here, indeed, while any modern political party shares some of those characteristics, it is very easy to see that the American right not only practices all 11 but revels in those who do the same.

Very reasonable and rational post in this dark corner of ATS.




posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: Kali74

That graphic says it all.

I pointed out earlier that the Founders would likely have qualified at the time and now as "leftist."

I've been rather surprised that the Right Brigade hasn't stormed in here to keel haul us or something.

Good job!



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

/yawn

Your "contributions" here more and more remind one of "I know you are but what am I?"



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: TonyS

Or even where Republican is on that chart. They did believe in authority of government but that government was supposed to represent the people... so they believed that a government should execute the authority of the people.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Teikiatsu

/yawn

Your "contributions" here more and more remind one of "I know you are but what am I?"


Ah, the tried-and-true rubber/glue defense. The hallmark of enlightened debate.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You can't get to the issue, that's your problem. You don't address any points. You ignore everything outside your pink bubble.

The underlying issue is cultural Marxism and a modern ideology that is so steeped in self-righteousness it can't see anything. It can't see the absolutely enormous amount of cognitive dissonance extant everywhere in leftist thought. Something that should be evident to any rational adult. No wonder the politicians treat you with such vehemence and disdain, you are in fact effectively wardens of the state. Economic units with no actual sovereignty being treated like children.

You don't think I'm a Swede? You can't be this anti-communist without being a Swede, unless you're in fact a surviving Nazi. If I'm not a Swede you're an 8 year old girl that fancies dressing up for tea parties.. and not the good kind either.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 09:47 AM
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Just popping in to remind everyone that Fascism is an actual political ideology with articulated principles. In a nutshell, Fascism considers the rights of the individual to be a selfish indulgence, and places the needs of the State above the rights of its citizens. In a Fascist society, fulfilling the needs of the State is the supreme spiritual accomplishment. Fascism is distinct from socialist systems in that it allows private property and free (though centrally directed) markets.

You may now resume your personal bickering.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: Hefficide


1. Disdain for the recognition of human rights.


Abortion, secret prisons in Chicago, BLM land grabs, EPA environmental accidents


2. Identification of Enemies / Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause


Using the SPLC as part of your training materials for the military so that faith groups like the Roman Catholic Church are deemed hate groups, telling crowd of Hispanic immigrants to "punish" their enemies, constantly implying that there is a deep-seated state of racism in EVERY possible racial issue in the nation


3. Supremacy of the Military


Telling your country there needs to be a civilian force as powerful and well-funded as the military. Using the military as your great social experiment. Firing top generals and replacing them with your own cronies.


4. Controlled Mass Media


Have you even watched the main media or read it lately? About the only place that actually deviates in any meaningful way if the internet and some AM radio. Just because informed people tend to be acutely aware of these sourced does NOT mean most Americans are.


5. Obsession with National Security


DHA, NHS spying on us all, militarized police forces, did you pay attention to how they treated Boston after the bombing?


6. Religion and Government are Intertwined


This is about the only one you can slide on. I would say the government IS the religion, but this isn't unique to this administration. Just because someone says "God" as justification doesn't make it a theocracy or even intertwine religion. However, we could extend the argument that Global Warning is a secular religion based on Gaia worship with carbon credits akin to Papal Indulgences. We are also working to replace a another/cosmic source the source of our rights with government, and what man gives, he can also take. See your first point about recognition of human rights.


7. Labor Power is Suppressed


It's only suppressing the power of labor if you decide the owner has no right to his property. See point number one.


8. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts


So whatever happened to studying the traditional literary canon again? Oh, yeah, they are only a bunch of old, dead white guys. Nevermind that they knew how to write. They aren't diverse and that's what really matters today, right? Not they they knew their way around a story, theme, or how to use the language. Nevermind in the Classical Education model, they study multiple cultures to see what works and doesn't and why form a humanities perspective.

So today we have kids who are learning from reading texts that are grades level below what their peers of latter days would be learning from ... because we have a disdain for our own literature, arts and culture.


9. Obsession with Crime and Punishment


I don't see this changing much. All I see is a shift in which crimes are obsessed on and punished.


10. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption


And has this changed either? The only thing that changes is the names through the door.


11. Fraudulent Elections


This also never changes. Just do your research on which districts somehow turned in vote counts above 100% population in the last election. Also it makes one wonder how so many candidates can demand recounts and keep mysteriously "finding" "lost" ballots that always sway the count in their direction. If you don't think elections are fraudulent, then you are a bit naïve.

And on some of these, this is independent of party. Both sides do it, so to say "which party" only exposes your bias.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Again... asking a reader to draw their own conclusions is the opposite of bias. I could have parsed out cherry picked examples, as others are doing, and sought to impose my feelings on the eleven points.

I didn't.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Yup.

That shows how Republicans can be Left of Center.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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Everyone is concentrating on labels and not on the actual actions.

Was the Patriot Act patriotic?
Is the Freedom Act giving us more freedoms?

Who cares what the name is.

If you're into a style of government where they want to dictate the size of soda you drink, where they mandate that you purchase something, then I'll be opposing it.

Period!



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
I don't get it, Messerschmidt, Volvo, IG Farben, Volkswagen, Siemens, were not government owned or operated, perhaps someone can show us in Germany upto or during WW2 when the nazis socialized or took over private companies??

Because I guarantee this hasn't ever happened in a fascist state!!!!!

I do think Americas privatizing prisons, mercenaries and no bid contracts is very much fascism but I sure would never blame it on liberal or progressives!!!!


Actually this is a good point, but the "difference" does not impact the similarities.

The way the Germany Authority "handled" corporations is very similar to the way the China Authority "handles" corporations today.

It's all about government Authoritarianism.

And perhaps some similarities exist in the way Social Democracies "handle" corporations today.

All cases of government "Authority" must stay Left of Center to work.

Less government Authority = further to the Right, and less intrusions of individuals.

The average Citizens pays the price for Authoritarianism.



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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Everyone is concentrating on labels and not on the actual actions.

Was the Patriot Act patriotic?
Is the Freedom Act giving us more freedoms?

Who cares what the name is.

If you're into a style of government where they want to dictate the size of soda you drink, where they mandate that you purchase something, then I'll be opposing it.

Period!


The argument is framed within fascism and it's characteristics and how those characteristics fall into different ideologies. Until those are agreed upon the individual actions are meaningless.

Ultimately, I agree with you, people are losing the forest for the trees in the semantics. By the premise of the OP, the program that we are attempting to pump data ("the actual actions") into is flawed and so the results (which we are still interpreting) will be flawed. This is a fools game.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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Obviously no one here wants anything to do with fascism, right or left. The great progressive humanist projects of the 20th century have left ample evidence of their danger, and it is in our best interest to avoid such catastrophes in the future.

Right and left was relevant back in old France. Not so much anymore.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
Just popping in to remind everyone that Fascism is an actual political ideology with articulated principles. In a nutshell, Fascism considers the rights of the individual to be a selfish indulgence, and places the needs of the State above the rights of its citizens. In a Fascist society, fulfilling the needs of the State is the supreme spiritual accomplishment. Fascism is distinct from socialist systems in that it allows private property and free (though centrally directed) markets.

You may now resume your personal bickering.


I wanted to stay out of this thread because of the ignorance contained within, but I will say that you have summed it up nicely.

Socialism, while it's economic model is designed to benefit the entire collective, still recognizes the rights of the individuals granted through the constitution or government model. Fascism does not as the actual government model deems the state to be of more importance and the people gladly give up their rights when necessary for the state. In other words, ultra-nationalism.

It seems that a lot of people lately are spreading propaganda trying to equate Fascism (aka-Nazis and national socialism) to a Leftist ideology because they want to discredit the modern political Leftists and try to separate their extreme Right wing from the connection to National socialism and the Nazis.

It seems almost like an attempt to revise history. But it's not working well. The only people that are falling for this tactic is the extreme Right and that's because they don't want to be seen on the scale of history as being next to the Nazis in comparison.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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are you kidding me? Do people actually believe modern US right is related to Nazism? If we make that reach then the left gets maoism and stalinism?

Ignorance? Kettle calling pot black.

If socialism's model is to benefit everyone the best it would not be socialism. It would be a system where the best are rewarded exponentially more than the below average. why? because incentive. Incentive is why I grew out of socialism in high school. Incentive is what produces advancement.
Before you invoke scandinavia as your argument you should know that Those countries are Much stronger than the USA at protecting Private property rights, which is the core of a capitalist system. The USA has falling property rights and ridiculous amounts of government bloat including military.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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That is correct. fascism is part of the same leftist ideology from which communism comes, and fascism is only slightly to the right of communism. That I how the left is able to get away with portraying it as right wing, it is just the right wing of the leftist ideology!!!!! That is how the Hegelian dialectic works. The American Progressive left wants to pretend their roots didn't involve embracing all the same ideals as National Socialism in Germany, that is things like eugenics and oh you know the whole Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood thing....
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posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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are you kidding me? Do people actually believe modern US right is related to Nazism? If we make that reach then the left gets maoism and stalinism?


In it's very actions and tactics the modern Republican and extreme Right wing can be compared to those of the Nazis. Their propaganda techniques are very similar. Invoking the name of god, appealing to religion, appealing to patriotism of country (ultra-nationalism) and the idea that their authority must be asserted by use of the military.

Let's also not forget that the Nazis propagated the idea that the "race" must be clean to have a better Germany. So they demonized anyone, and killed, many that did not fit the Aryan archetype.

The Right wing likes to demonize people that do not fit the "white Christian, native-born" mold. That's a simple way of saying it, but I believe you get the idea.

It is for those reasons, and many more, that I believe the extreme fascist right wing in this country is very dangerous and people need to be made aware of what is going on around them.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Fascism is not where even close to communism. That's absurd.

I wish more people were educated on such things.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Greven

Yup.

That shows how Republicans can be Left of Center.



hence the term of endearmen "RINO"



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