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Fascism Is Far Left, Not Far Right on Political Spectrum

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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: greencmp

You profess to have read history and you fall for that simplistic nonsense.

I have no way to help you.

Hitler and the Nazis hated the Communists, and the Socialists.

Like someone said earlier, do you think the "Democratic Republic of the Congo" is either "Democratic" or "Republican?"

Do you think "Military Intelligence" refers to smart soldiers?

What a maroon.


I like the bugs bunny reference!

I think I put mine in for the same effect.

Cheers!





posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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"The left has always been jelly-beans, they just convinced you otherwise through control of media and education."

"The left has always been Santa's special Christmas Elves, they just convinced you otherwise ... etc. etc."

See how that works? When you self-define words and rely on belief, you can spout whatever nonsense you like.

We have always had a "top-down" government. Every government is a "top-down" government. What a meaningless BS phrase!

Controlling decisions for people? What like Republicans?

Telling a woman what she has to do with her body?

Telling everyone that Christians are special and don't have to obey the same laws as everyone else?

Telling gays that they can't get married?

Oops, you guys lost on that last one didn't you? Darn.

Well, you get the point...



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Sadly, a Bugs Bunny reference is about all the interaction with you deserves.

I did have a modicum of respect for you before this interchange.

But, Jeez ... you're parroting the "Nazis are Leftists" BS?

Most classic Libertarians I know are bright.

Enjoy your cartoons.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

"Self-Auditing" never is biased.

A wise man once said that.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

"Self-Auditing" never is biased.

A wise man once said that.





You win.

The absurdity has finally reached critical mass for me.

Enjoy your cartoons and playtime ...



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: greencmp

Sadly, a Bugs Bunny reference is about all the interaction with you deserves.

I did have a modicum of respect for you before this interchange.

But, Jeez ... you're parroting the "Nazis are Leftists" BS?

Most classic Libertarians I know are bright.

Enjoy your cartoons.


Just check it out, you'll see what we are talking about and then we can discuss what differences the newest incarnation of socialism must have in order to overcome those catastrophic shortcomings.

I just have to go up against this odd trend of late where socialists attempt to disassociate themselves from actual socialist "accomplishments".

I appreciate your candor and I do respect you, just not this position and it is a very big deal if we get this sort of thing wrong.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Why can't you respond properly to any of Gryphon's posts?

It has been proven over and over that fascism is NOT far left.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Don't forget the whole thing is based on a logical fallacy. The entire premise is flawed. It is not an argument. This isn't a debate.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen

Why can't you respond properly to any of Gryphon's posts?

It has been proven over and over that fascism is NOT far left.


Go after the article claims, not the messengers.

Show the idealistic differences that are on topic.

I already said my opinions are automatically tainted.

What I say does not affect the world population.




posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Avoiding the questions, are we? How do you expect to defend your ideologies without argumentative debate?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 10:20 PM
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I don't get it, Messerschmidt, Volvo, IG Farben, Volkswagen, Siemens, were not government owned or operated, perhaps someone can show us in Germany upto or during WW2 when the nazis socialized or took over private companies??

Because I guarantee this hasn't ever happened in a fascist state!!!!!

I do think Americas privatizing prisons, mercenaries and no bid contracts is very much fascism but I sure would never blame it on liberal or progressives!!!!


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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 10:28 PM
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a reply to: greencmp

Nazis were not leftists or socialists.

Period. You can do better than that.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
If Fascism is "Right wing", how does Right leaning Libertarianism and genuine Conservatism fit in?

Both ideals prohibit big government and require no mass authority.


Political philosophy cannot be boiled down to a single, numeric line graph. It just ain't that simple.

A more accurate model is something like a Cartesian 2-D graph, where there is an Economic axis and a Social axis. Libertarian opposite Authoritarian (Economic); Left opposite Right (Social).

In this model, most American politicians would be in the upper right quadrant (Authoritarian-Right). Democrats tend to be closer to the center while Republicans tend to be closer to the border in this quadrant. You might not think it, but U.S. politics are rather to the Right of where most politics are in the world...

It's gotten rather more Right and more Authoritarian over the years, too. They had universal health care proposals back in the 1970s, though that got shut down by Nixon's resignation and a huge recession. Reagan, a Conservative champion, signed "the largest peacetime tax increase in American history.". You don't hear about that too much...



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu
The left has always been fascist, they just convinced you otherwise through control of media and education. Just like good little fascists.

Both fascism and communism require a large top-down government to be put in place. The means of their control differ, but they come from the same source.

'Good guy' is an abstract term, because different people have different ideas of what 'good' is. Personally I find the idea of expanded liberty and more money in my pocket to be good, some other people think controlling our decisions and giving government more of our money contributes to a 'greater good.'

Please see the above post.

Political ideology is not a single line of various degrees. The idea that it could be modeled such is ludicrous.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:37 AM
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a reply to: Greven

This is a most good way to see things. But how about 3D? That's what I'll be trying to think about. What would be the third axis, how educated or awakened/illuminated a person is?

The Founding Fathers for example, would be at the apex of a pyramid in this 3D box. As would Socrates be.
Meanwhile, Swedish politicians would be totally in the dark useful idiots. Uneducated buffoons.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 02:52 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Well, leftists are Nazis, that's why they ban things and make certain things illegal. And we haven't even gotten to thought crimes yet.

They're always the first to use violence, they're very naive and they imagine themselves to be rebels(that's their blatant self-righteousness). You should try living in a Malmö project as a Jew. Ironically, the leftists will defend muslim bigotry and sexism reflexively.

One cannot seriously investigate leftist thinking and be left with anything but befuddlement. Any serious scholar would instantly recognise that the whole modern leftist paradigm is a completely perforated ship with its only means of propulsion being the parrot effect of constantly repeating and exaggerating the same message ad infinitum. This total saturation of moronic beliefs is the only saving grace of progressive thought.

Let's end this sick cancerous growth of cognitive dissonance.. spare us your sentiments, we've already heard them a billion times on TV, even the corporations are on board with you guys.. so much for the rebels, they were born sold out. Probably wears those "OBEY" shirts that are so popular.

Such punishment from God to have to endure the company of such people on this Earth.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 03:06 AM
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a reply to: TheLaughingGod



Well, leftists are Nazis, that's why they ban things and make certain things illegal. And we haven't even gotten to thought crimes yet.


I can't understand the thought process of the right wing folks.

No the leftists are not Nazis.

The leftists are for equal rights and progresses.

Are totalitarian government for equal rights?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 04:10 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

You haven't seen the true depravity of the left. Eastern Europeans know, Finns know.

I as a Swede and as a Finn know living in the last holdout of the Stasi where thought is so narrow that only one ideology is allowed and everything else is taboo. We're talking about a cultural elite here, and they hold all the cards. Putin certainly know of the origins of political correctness. It was always about playing the proles, it was never about equality; it was always about cultural Marxism. If you can't see the doublespeak you're not listening.

The goal is polarization not equality. We're 60 years late, they're already working on the next dialectic and shaping it. That will be fascism, that will be corporatism. Uncle Sam will stop playing games, he will put the donkey and the elephant away and reveal himself. It'll be the best of both worlds with a high tech spin. Then they'll start putting all those illegals and those 50 million muslims to work. Don't think they've got battle droids yet? Think again.



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Be more specific. Are you Swedish or Finnish? Where are you living now?

What specific elements of your society demonstrate "the depravity of the left"?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

What garbage!

We disproved "the articles claims" ... they disprove themselves.

You and yours want to rewrite history.

As far as the silly graphics go ... phrases, colors and numbers SEEM meaningful, but there's no substance as I pointed out.

I've given you information on how the concepts of "right and left" started.

Socialism "began" by people inspired by the French and American Revolutions.

Tom Paine's writings are among the first "socialist" treatises.

As far as right and left go, historically, the Founding Fathers were "leftists" i.e. they were against traditional interpretations of power, they were AGAINST constitutional monarchy, they were FOR a government in which the PEOPLE had the greatest influence ...

America was founded by "leftists" if you want to go there. And there's a heck of a lot more back up for that assertion than for "Nazis are Leftists."

Wanna go there?




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