Prominant Iowa Conservative Talk Show Host: Wants To Make Illegal Aliens SLAVES!

a reply to: naftaland

What does he mean to do? Erode the 4th, 8th and 13th Amendments, which is de facto Martial Law, and create a Prison State.

Since when does the constitution matter ?

We get spied, on, and other RIGHTS are thrown out with the dish water.

How ANYONE living in this country in the 21st century thinks there is such a thing as a 'free' man is beyond ludicrous.

Day by day year by year for over two centuries Americans have given up their own sovereign power to that 'benevolent' thing called a government.

For those that see the writing on the wall call our master.

That is what a slave is. Anyone willing to give up their own power to the state, and most people tend to do all too willingly.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: naftaland

What does he mean to do? Erode the 4th, 8th and 13th Amendments, which is de facto Martial Law, and create a Prison State.

Since when does the constitution matter ?

We get spied, on, and other RIGHTS are thrown out with the dish water.

How ANYONE living in this country in the 21st century thinks there is such a thing as a 'free' man is beyond ludicrous.

Day by day year by year for over two centuries Americans have given up their own sovereign power to that 'benevolent' thing called a government.

For those that see the writing on the wall call our master.

That is what a slave is. Anyone willing to give up their own power to the state, and most people tend to do all too willingly.

Indeed, and this is another incremental ploy to keep going in that direction. Just a refinement.

a reply to: smirkley

I'm sorry to say you are way off on this. It's one thing for people to come here legally and become productive citizens and go through the legal process as our forbears did, and it's quite another for people to sneak across the border and shack up with 10 other people and get section 8 housing and get hired over natural born citizens get paid under the table and then send their money home to their relatives while getting free education for the kids they have here etc. You and many other progressives apparently do not see the difference and would like for the welfare state to pay for everyone. Well who is the state that's the taxpayers and I have no problem saying no you don't deserve half my paycheck just because you want to work.let them come the legal way in line behind all the others who want a better life and have waited and gone through the legal channels. We also need to control the h1b work visas too because we shouldn't have to
Pay 50,000 $ for a tech education and then be passed over for people from other countries. Unless we just completely scrap all this government control and welfare state and let everyone fend for themselves.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Question for you, how do you feel about immigration reform? Specifically for people trying to enter the country legally? Do you know the process one has to go through to immigrate here legally? It's VERY time consuming and requires quite a bit of money and being able to travel to and from your country of origin several times. And that's all without worrying about the ENORMOUS wait time that varies depending on what country you are from.

I mean if I was a poor foreigner desperately wanting to get into this country for whatever reason and was faced with the wall that I mentioned above, I'd probably try to get in illegally too.

One shouldn't complain about people coming here illegally enmasse without considering that there is a possibility that the legal immigration services need to be overhauled.

Ia reply to: Krazysh0t

In fact I went through the naturalization process with my husband who was here legally... That is I sponsored him. Does that answer your question?

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

It answers part of it, but it doesn't answer the most critical question I asked.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

It answers part of it, but it doesn't answer the most critical question I asked.

So what you really mean is that just anybody should be able to come here and not have to wait around. Well I have news for you. That is just not realistic, it's more utopian nonsense. Naturalization involves becoming proficient enough in the language to pass the civil test and learn the basics of the constitution and you can still be denied if you get a criminal record or have been in a communist organization up to 5 years prior.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Hmmm... I didn't make any claims as to what I meant or didn't mean. I just asked you a question. How about stop making assumptions about me and what I may want and just answer the question? Do you think the legal immigration process could use an overhaul?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What I will say though about the original op and about the radio guy is that he has a point about how we are enslaved already to a system that allows people to game the laws and take advantage of natural born citizens with abandon. He is right in that why should we be indentured which is enskavent by the way, to a system that takes our paycheck and redistribute our personal wealth we worked for to people who
Have no regard for us or our laws? How about you answer that question. Please don't forget to address the property damage to ranchers in as or ncm and why should those law breakers be given amnesty?

Let them go fight some wildfires or something. When the fire is out, they can apply for citizenship.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I also have another question for you. Why don't some of those people who think Americans owe them something just for existing go to all these other supposedly wonderful places where socialism is embedded in the ecocomic syst? You know all those fabulous utopian places like Denmark...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I just went by your assertion that there is too long a wait for people who want to become citizens. And what about those who say they have no intention of becoming a citizen ?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What would you recommend to streamline the process? Add more ins agents to our already bloated government? Just forget all the red tape like citizenship classes? Just give all those people plane tickets and say come on over? Eliminate fingerprinting and so on? I've been through all this already. Oh wait our government already DID give people plane tickets and encourage parents to let their children come unaccompanied. Talk about a criminal enterprise for destroying reasonable process.

a reply to: Aazadan

Once upon a time they had work
Visas for things like agriculture then they went home to their families. Now they overstay their visas.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

You still haven't answered my question and you are still making assumptions about me and my side of the argument. I haven't told you ANYTHING about what I believe about illegal immigrants, but you've managed to craft FOUR separate posts in response to my last post. None of which answered my question I asked you about if the legal immigration process could use an overhaul. Which is odd, since it's a very simple question to answer. It's a yes or no question. Yet instead, you keep dodging the question and narrating my side of the argument for me.

I mean, why should I answer ANY of the questions you asked within those four posts if you won't do me the simple courtesy of answering a simple yes or no opinion question? It's not like you have to do any research to answer it or anything. Plus with you narrating my side of the argument, I feel like you are already ready to answer those questions for me anyways.

Also, I didn't ask you HOW to overhaul the government, nor did I make suggestions on how to do it. I JUST asked if it should be overhauled.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You both asserted that it takes too long a wait for immigrants to either get citizenship or visa I wasn't quite sure if it mattered which and asked me if I thought our legal immigration system needed to be overhauled. Classically it is progressives and rinos who want to overhaul the system. What is wrong with enforcing the laws already on the books?:

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You both asserted that it takes too long a wait for immigrants to either get citizenship or visa I wasn't quite sure if it mattered which and asked me if I thought our legal immigration system needed to be overhauled.

That was me just making sure you understood the headache that is the legal immigration process. You said you are already familiar with it, so that information became redundant.

Classically it is progressives and rinos who want to overhaul the system. What is wrong with enforcing the laws already on the books?:

Classically they call this a stereotype. Not to mention, following the laws on the books doesn't imply that the laws or efficient. Also, when I hear people talking about "following the laws on the books", they are USUALLY talking about following illegal immigration laws, not so much talking about the legal immigration process.

Though I must say, even though you avoided answering the question again, I think I know what your answer is. The answer is no. You don't want to overhaul the legal immigration process. So does that mean you think the system is working as intended?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Which laws are inefficient and why?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I answered your questions but with queries as to what can be done to change things.Because I am alredy familar with the process i am wondering if you rejected my suggestions and if so why. Ok so you are a conservative ?

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

As a child of legal immigrants, I would like to tell you that while my father (who is an immigrant from the Philippines by the way) disagrees with amnesty and special privileges for illegal immigrants because he considered it unfair, he said that enslaving illegals is way over the line and that its more humane to just deport them.