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Bernie Sanders: Abolish Private Prisons

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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 06:18 AM
a reply to: Swills

Have to agree. No part of the criminal justice system should be in the private sector.

All it has done is cause problems.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 06:20 AM

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: babybunnies
Your first thread is a good one.

Private, for profit prisons should all be shut down immediately.

They're nothing more than corporate welfare for the large companies that build them, and judges are paid off to ensure that anyone that ends up in one of these places stays there.

And many just dish out harsh sentences for a bigger kickback.

For profit prisons should be illegal.

Exactly. Everyone should be equal under the law and the law should be as impartially as it can be.

For profit prisons fly in the face of that.
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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 06:24 AM

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Swills

He's a socialist. This is hardly shocking. He'll abolish as much private anything as he feels he can get away with. He just happens to have picked a soft target, so you think it's all cool.

Forget the left/right bull # for a minute.

Private Prison have been a failure.

All candidates should be proposing this regards less of there being a D or R after there name.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 06:56 AM
Great topic OP!

Just yesterday I was reading about a corrupt judge that was recently sentenced to 28 years in prison for something related directly to this, have a read:

A former Pennsylvania juvenile judge was sentenced to 28 years in prison Thursday after being convicted for a scheme to make millions off unjustly incarcerating young people, court officials said.

Former Luzerne County Judge Mark Ciavarella was also ordered by a federal judge in Pennsylvania to pay about $1 million in restitution.


I'm with sanders on this issue; heck, I'm with Sanders on most issues.

Bern baby Bern!

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 06:58 AM

originally posted by: jiwmard91
a reply to: johnwick

Get the right people in there yeah, I know it's a pipe dream but we can dream right?

This sounds a lot like the excuse we get every time socialist and communist states fail - But it would work if only the right people were in power.

We are talking about the very same government that had Hillary Clinton among its highest officials until just lately? The same government that has an EPA that spills toxic chemicals in rivers? The same government whose agencies send live anthrax samples all over the place?

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:02 AM
a reply to: johnwick

We've had a mixed economy with socialistic elements for 85 years, and we're still going.

There are also better and purer examples that put the lie to your comment.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:08 AM
a reply to: Swills

Considering most of these private institutions require neigh on 100% occupancy to function and/or turn a profit one would imagine the dangers are self evident really. Nothing more than workhouses that promote what amounts to slavery if you ask me.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 08:58 AM

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

I'm annoyed Jesse Ventura would even consider siding with Trump while completely ignoring Sanders. I love Jesse, but...

He said he would consider VP for Trump OR Sanders, but the media is making it all about Trump. Source

Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse "The Body" Ventura said Friday he would gladly join either Republican Donald Trump's ticket or Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders' ticket.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:43 AM
a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah, the same government that lied about "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, the same government that declared "Mission Accomplished" after which we still endured more than 10 years of war, the same government that treasonously conspired with Iranian Revolutionaries to hold our hostages until it was politically useful for them to be released (well, actually the incoming "government" of Ronald Reagan on that one), etc. etc.

The same "government" that ignored the AIDS crisis until it spread throughout our population because they considered it a "gay disease"? The same government that thought that putting gays in camps would stop the spread of the virus?

Or, how about a Congress that has done nothing and fulfilled not even ONE of its promises after 8 months? That government?

I mean, what level of historically stupid partisan excuses do you want to dream up and present as meaningful in this discussion? We can do this all day.

Socialism is an economic system. We've had socialism in this country as an integral part of our economy for most of our history (before it was even called "socialism"), and certainly during the span of the life of any member posting here.

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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 09:55 AM

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 10:14 AM
a reply to: xuenchen

What is also alarming, is here in Florida the private prisons have sued states to keep their prisons full.

What?!? Private prisons suing states for millions if they don’t stay full

Low crime rates bad for business for private prisons; they demand states keep them full.

The prison-industrial complex is so out of control that private prisons have the sheer audacity to order states to keep beds full or face their wrath with stiff financial penalties, according to reports. Private prisons in some states have language in their contracts that state if they fall below a certain percentage of capacity that the states must pay the private prisons millions of dollars, lest they face a lawsuit for millions more.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 11:11 AM
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

That makes me feel a little better but whenever I see Jesse all I hear out of his mouth is Trump.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 11:14 AM
a reply to: Swills

Senator Sanders isnt' spouting empty rhetoric or 'telling the masses' what they want to hear. He is speaking from years of experience and study and a truly open minded and non partisan position.

I don't agree with all his conclusions but I do pay attention to them and this one on private prisons is one that I wholy agree with. They are little more then slave labor camps for big business to reap massive profits from sourcing cheap ($1.00 an hour) labor to company's and cutting 'prisoners care' expenses to the bone. Many of their contracts with the 'state' have clauses that require a high (90% or more) number of beds being filled at all times (we, the tax payer, pay for those beds whether someone is in them or not) which greatly encourage massive incarceration rates.

It's about slave labor and profit not about rehabilitation and reentry to productive citizenhood.

Bernie is putting his life on the line to speak to these very real issues that are destroying what is left of civil society in the US.

Feel the Bern!

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 11:33 AM

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

That makes me feel a little better but whenever I see Jesse all I hear out of his mouth is Trump.

You should listen to this:

Jesse Ventura: Why Bernie Sanders Has My Vote

nvm. I see you posted in that thread. Trump would NEVER have Jesse as a VP. Trump needs someone he can control. Jesse ain't havin' that.
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posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 01:25 PM
Private prisons, run for profit, is just a ridiculous and baffling concept.
Bernie is right.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 02:43 PM
I think my head is going to explode from the overwhelming ignorance of the actual meaning of socialism, and communism...

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 02:45 PM
a reply to: Swills

Bernie is making me happier and happier. I'm voting Bernie or bust. I'm still worried that he's going to get the Ron Paul treatment in the primaries though...

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 02:54 PM
a reply to: introvert

I'm not a Socialist, but I agree. Socialism and even Communism is WIDELY misunderstood.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 02:57 PM
a reply to: Gryphon66

Exactly. Socialism even outdates modern Conservatism.

posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 04:50 PM
a reply to: Krazysh0t

A quite famous "socialist" philosophy from an American Revolutionary patriot, Tom Paine:

Agrarian Justice by Thomas Paine

To create a National Fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen pounds sterling, as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property:

And also, the sum of ten pounds per annum, during life, to every person now living, of the age of fifty years, and to all others as they shall arrive at that age.


I have already established the principle, namely, that the earth, in its natural uncultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race; that in that state, every person would have been born to property; and that the system of landed property, by its inseparable connection with cultivation, and with what is called civilized life, has absorbed the property of all those whom it dispossessed, without providing, as ought to have been done, an indemnification for that loss.

It is proposed that the payments, as already stated, be made to every person, rich or poor. It is best to make it so, to prevent invidious distinctions. It is also right it should be so, because it is in lieu of the natural inheritance, which, as a right, belongs to every man, over and above the property he may have created, or inherited from those who did. Such persons as do not choose to receive it can throw it into the common fund.

Taking it then for granted that no person ought to be in a worse condition when born under what is called a state of civilization, than he would have been had he been born in a state of nature, and that civilization ought to have made, and ought still to make, provision for that purpose, it can only be done by subtracting from property a portion equal in value to the natural inheritance it has absorbed.

Imagine, Tom Paine prefigured not only Karl Marx but also our modern social safety net. LOL.
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