Cascadia Independence Movement - State of Mind or Future Nation State? What does ATS think?

You're really killing it in this thread! I thought the OP was awesome, but you keep on going!Stop making me learn things.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: JadeStar

As a Texan, all I can say is you have my complete support.

Thank you.

originally posted by: Domo1
You're really killing it in this thread! I thought the OP was awesome, but you keep on going!Stop making me learn things.

Ah, but what is the meaning of life, if not to learn?

originally posted by: JadeStar

So how prepared is our region for such a disaster?

That's interesting, I was having a discussion about disaster yesterday. It was brought up that If something were to happen west of us we are lucky considering, most studies and documentaries ( doom porn ) show that tsunami water and other things always stop just west of I5.

We joke about it now but really if it does happen in our little spot we are somewhat prepared.

Granted it might not be ideal perfect surviving outcome, but when you work with your neighbors at such things your somewhat prepared. Better then some who don't even say hello to neighbors.

We have and can grow more food, we have shelter and the likes

I think what keeps not fully prepared is prescriptions.

originally posted by: EvilBat

originally posted by: JadeStar

So how prepared is our region for such a disaster?

That's interesting, I was having a discussion about disaster yesterday. It was brought up that If something were to happen west of us we are lucky considering, most studies and documentaries ( doom porn ) show that tsunami water and other things always stop just west of I5.

We joke about it now but really if it does happen in our little spot we are somewhat prepared.

Granted it might not be ideal perfect surviving outcome, but when you work with your neighbors at such things your somewhat prepared. Better then some who don't even say hello to neighbors.

We have and can grow more food, we have shelter and the likes

I think what keeps not fully prepared is prescriptions.

Exactly. I will say that things such as the City of Seattle's Beacon Hill Food Forrest and the earthquake safety drills and stuff we got in school are good starts as are the urban gardening and urban foraging education which groups like CascadiaNow, Washington 4-H and the various scouting programs for young people do.

Here's a flyer for the Rainingman Festival which will among other things have people providing urban foraging education:



From this article: Urban Food Foraging Goes Mainstream in Seattle....

Cities like Seattle are really good at certain things. Like making widgets and designing spacecraft. Activities that take up a lot of space, like farming, are left to the farmers. For the most part, our food is trucked in from the Skagit Valley, shipped in from Florida, flown in from Chile -- places where land and labor are cheaper. But that divorce – between cities and farms – leaves cities vulnerable. All that movement of food between cities and farms relies on infrastructure. And infrastructure can fail, sometimes catastrophically.

So, ever since 9/11, cities like Seattle have been looking for ways to prepare for unexpected shocks to this system. After all, there’s a lot of food growing here already. But that doesn’t mean it’s lawful to harvest that food. Which brings us to Melany Vorass Herrera – and why she’s about to break the law.

Read on at KUOW.

This is a great thread with some very interesting viewpoints.

From what I've read on this post, this sounds like a pretty popular movement. Except that this is the first time hearing about it, I'm near Salem, BTW.

I was born and raised in Colorado, and moved to the PNW about seven years ago. There is definitely a different vibe out here compared to back home. There's also a lot of similarities. Believe what you will, but the PNW isn't as liberal hippie-ish as many make it out to be.

a reply to: RainyState

I have been explaining to a few people that moved into the area recently

That it seems the weather has been getting dryer and hotter every year.

I'll tell yea though this water restriction though right now has almost killed my garden.
( well the few things I'm growing )

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: JadeStar

As a Texan, all I can say is you have my complete support.

Thank you.

I mean that! Be Free! Be Free to be you're own people. Set a precedent so the rest of us can have a shot at breaking free of the broken paradigm! You'll be heroes!

a reply to: JadeStar

Thanks for the well thought out and interesting thread, Jade. I never heard of Cascadia before. It sound big and I don't know how I could have missed hearing or reading about it. As far as succession goes, I don't see how it could be done peacefully. I'm not saying that it's impossible or that I'm against it. I just don't see how it would be peaceful.

a reply to: Skid Mark

Skid you make the secession so open and transparent that it becomes embarassing to the federal government they dare not crack down on it for fear of sanctions and blockades.

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Simmderdown

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Simmderdown

originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: JadeStar

Your OP says nothing of 100% of "cascadia" land was stolen from 100's of indigenous tribes from 1804 thru present day.

Are "cascadians" going to the Hague to answer for MASSIVE crimes against humanity?

Well they did name the Red Skins after them, come on what do you want

Wrong Washington. (Facepalm)

NO no same premise lol its ok

Seattle is named after Chief Sealth from the Duwamish tribe.

Really? In that case I'm sure the natives have forgot all the hardships now.

What I see in this thread: "oh look a pretty flag I support you all the way now"

originally posted by: TonyS

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: JadeStar

As a Texan, all I can say is you have my complete support.

Thank you.

I mean that! Be Free! Be Free to be you're own people. Set a precedent so the rest of us can have a shot at breaking free of the broken paradigm! You'll be heroes!

That would be sweet!

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
What I see in this thread: "oh look a pretty flag I support you all the way now"

Then you are not looking hard enough lol. Read the entire thread. not skimming.

originally posted by: Ancient Champion

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Simmderdown

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Simmderdown

originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: JadeStar

Your OP says nothing of 100% of "cascadia" land was stolen from 100's of indigenous tribes from 1804 thru present day.

Are "cascadians" going to the Hague to answer for MASSIVE crimes against humanity?

Well they did name the Red Skins after them, come on what do you want

Wrong Washington. (Facepalm)

NO no same premise lol its ok

Seattle is named after Chief Sealth from the Duwamish tribe.

Really? In that case I'm sure the natives have forgot all the hardships now.

That's not the point.

And if you don't live here you really can't comment on what the native, indigenous tribes who live here think. Let me give you a hint. Plenty of non-indigenous people attend and even participate in pow-wows up here. There's a lot of overlap and mixture of cultures here.

PS: My mother hasn't forgotten all the hardships of slavery but she also doesn't go around with a chip on her shoulder about them either.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
What I see in this thread: "oh look a pretty flag I support you all the way now"

Then you are not looking hard enough lol. Read the entire thread. not skimming.

Thank you

a reply to: JadeStar

welcome. i really wish there was a way to get people to read a entire thread. it would make things really easy.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: JadeStar

welcome. i really wish there was a way to get people to read a entire thread. it would make things really easy.

There's an old saying involving horses and water which comes to mind. Oh well, those who want to will.

a reply to: JadeStar

The borders with whatever. God alone knows where the borders would end up with a situation like this. But where ever they are, they'll need to be protected. The political situation will be, needless to say, slightly unpredictable.

Were Cascadia come to pass, I'm afraid it'll be because of a wholesale breakdown, and breakaway of a couple of other regions, not just in the US, but Canada, as well. Perhaps even Mexico. Balkanization. ...who knows where the borders will be. I certainly don't.

'course, that won't stop me from putting in my three cents worth (two cents adjusted for inflation).

My guess is that the southern borders of Cascadia would include northern California down to say, around Eureka...or there'bouts. Meandering east, and slightly north to the Rockies, the Rockies would be an obvious eastern border, then north to somewhere around White Horse, possibly even as far north as the Arctic coast. Northern border west to the Bering Sea, and south to where ever the southern border ends up. The only border I see having a not so obvious place is that southern border. No real obvious place for it...

'course it's all total conjecture on my part.

Huge country. Enormous natural resources.

Interesting thread, I agree that if the US were to split it would be along economic zones which Cascadia is one, and going by that map Texas is another.

I just don't think the nation is at that point though, even in the event of the next inevitable economic collapse. Before reading this thread, one of my go to responses for a proposed political change would be revising how many we send to Congress, and send more representatives so that each one could listen to a more specific group. Reading this thread made me think of another solution though. Instead of electing representatives by state district, what if they were elected based on economic zones? Looking at that map there's only 19 zones, certainly that's more manageable than 50 states? Maybe the concept of what is a state is what we should be looking at.