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Army kicking out decorated Green Beret who stood up for Afghan rape victim

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posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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I know a lot of us ex military left service for many reasons. Some simple some not so simple. But as a former solider when I see stuff like this, there is something wrong in the military


EXCLUSIVE: The U.S. Army is kicking out a decorated Green Beret after an 11-year Special Forces career, after he got in trouble for shoving an Afghan police commander accused of raping a boy and beating up his mother when she reported the incident.

The case now has the attention of Congress, with Rep. Duncan Hunter writing to Defense Secretary Ash Carter challenging the decision.

www.foxnews.com...




posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

This just makes my blood boil. So, he and his team leader confront a child molesting scum bag about what he did, the guy laughed it off, and they shove him to the ground, and he's getting in trouble. The police commander is lucky he didn't get worse than being shoved.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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Apparently ethics are thrown out the window when it comes to the military and the middle east? This is a little unfortunate, and I wish him the best.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Reallyfolks

This just makes my blood boil. So, he and his team leader confront a child molesting scum bag about what he did, the guy laughed it off, and they shove him to the ground, and he's getting in trouble. The police commander is lucky he didn't get worse than being shoved.



Kind of what I was thinking. Rape a child, beat the mother. Lucky the green beret was as restrained as he was.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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Well he was being culturally insensitive.

Can't have that, can we?



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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One must never reveal the blemishes of the ever-sacred omnipotent military industrial complex...




posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

Really, when you think about it, it's like the military is putting out the message that it condones rape, child molestation, and corruption in general. The way I see it, the soldier swore an oath and he was upholding it.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 06:09 PM
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Well ,if you're going to burn anyway, at LEAST beat his ass.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

I' am ex-military as well and thank you for making this thread, this thread needs to be star and flagged to infinity so everyone knows about this and can see the breakdown of values in the U.S as a whole from the top down to the bottom. Stuff like this is why it was a easy decision to leave the service in 2005.

The only ones that honor the constitution these days seems to be a minority of the everyday Americans and service members....

Seems the Executive and Legislative branches only follow the constitution of money and vices.....

Truly a sign of the times



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Really, when you think about it, it's like the military is putting out the message that it condones rape, child molestation, and corruption in general. The way I see it, the soldier swore an oath and he was upholding it.


Depending on what you belive about the Michael aquinos stories, it's possible. There are some people who join for something as simple as the concept of right and wrong, and want to do right. I wonder what a potential new recruit looking to join for that reason would think. I'm sure comments will follow about people like that being brainwashed, etc. Then again this story really is simply about right and wrong.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Really, when you think about it, it's like the military is putting out the message that it condones rape, child molestation, and corruption in general. The way I see it, the soldier swore an oath and he was upholding it.


Isn't this par for the course though for the US military? There's examples of ruthlessness going all the way back to pre revolutionary war. Even the civil war was pretty savage.

With that said. Seems like there's another good fighting for Charles Martland, Rep Duncan Hunter




posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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After pondering a bit, this is the conclusion I've come to.

The military is downsizing. For better or worse, doing the right thing got this guy a black mark on his record. Had this happened 10 years ago in Iraq, nobody ever would've heard word one about it. That's just a straight up fact.

It's sad that the response to the incident was what it was. Politically, they can't leave him in place. Regardless of how good his intentions were for doing what he did. Because politically it's better to sacrifice one of our own than to tell our Afghan "partners" to go fly a kite and handle their people.

I know some absolutely stellar Marines who were denied reenlistment over minor things, purely because that's the climate right now. Any excuse to get somebody out the door is a good excuse now, and it doesn't matter who it is. Damn shame, but he had to have seen it coming at the same time. Politics, as usual, screws everything up.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 08:04 PM
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Standing up for what's right, especially in a politically sensitive area like Afghanistan, will not earn you brownie points if you ruffle the wrong feathers.

As Cavtrooper said, if you're going to burn, you might as well beat the vermin's ass. Or, to paraphrase Kipling, wound him and leave him on Afghanistans plains for the women to cut up.

Now then, how about we start doing something about it, eh?



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

I know that's the reality. I know we read day in and day out about horrible crap in the world. I just have to think that an average guy would probably react pretty similar to the situation or more. Be it a highly connected /political person or a police commander, can't ever see a time when shoving a child rapist and mom beater should warrant a black mark. If he killed the guy/ beat him to an inch of his life you have a harder time defending it.

From a long tem perspective these are the types of stories that might make the good people we need in the military think twice about joining. Then what do you have left? I absolutely concede what you are saying is reality. It's just not right. Hope the next phase of his life works out.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
After pondering a bit, this is the conclusion I've come to.

The military is downsizing.

I know some absolutely stellar Marines who were denied reenlistment over minor things, purely because that's the climate right now. Any excuse to get somebody out the door is a good excuse now, and it doesn't matter who it is. Damn shame, but he had to have seen it coming at the same time. Politics, as usual, screws everything up.


This is the absolute truth. Near the end of every major conflict, they downsize and off go the heads of anyone who is considered expendable for any reason.

I am surprised that a senior SF team member got more than NJP for this. The amount of money invested in this guy is enormous, and he's a really excellent operator. There's something up here.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: Bedlam

Was hoping you would pop in here, glad to see you.

That thought crossed my mind, too. The amount of money they've put into this guy is astronomical and they're running him out on rails. Like I said, I know several guys that got the boot over small stuff but they didn't have nearly the same amount of money invested in them.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 08:52 PM
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Anyone claiming that this kind of thing is limited to the Middle East is lying.


The Pentagon Isn't Done Investigating 1,700 Child Porn Cases From 2006

As the Boston Globe reported over three years ago now, it was Grassley who was pressing for answers regarding Pentagon efforts to investigate the troubling allegations brought to light by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency's "Operation Flicker" in 2006. Grassley demanded answers from then-Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and the DoD's then-IG Gordon Heddell.

"These cases were not considered a priority by the Defense Department in the first place, and they should have been,'' Grassley told the Globe.
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Pentagon declined to investigate hundreds of purchases of child pornography

In a related inquiry, the Pentagon's Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS) cross-checked the ICE list against military databases to come up with a list of Defense employees and contractors who appeared to be guilty of purchasing child pornography. The names included staffers for the secretary of defense, contractors for the ultra-secretive National Security Agency, and a program manager at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. But the DCIS opened investigations into only 20 percent of the individuals identified, and succeeded in prosecuting just a handful.
Link to article


Maybe it's racism and/or ethnocentrism that's causing people not to care about child rape and abuse in the Middle East. Anything like that is horrific enough.

But, consider the stories above. The children involved could be your relatives. They could be the friends of your children, they be could be anyone. Unbelievably, Americans overall seem to have shown the same response to that news as they are to the topic of this thread, complete apathy.

There is an unconscionable problem here that goes way beyond the military. I suppose this means that most Americans accept the idea that the military can abuse their family and they'll say and do nothing about it.

If you need proof that America has lost its soul, look no further than this issue.
edit on 20-8-2015 by Profusion because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

Like I said above, it depends on what you believe about Michael aquinos. Personally I don't doubt for one minute this is an issue all over in the military. I also believes it extends to politicians and high powered business men. While the investigations never go anywhere uk has at least looked into their pedophile rings.

Back to the story though. The guy did right. Hope next chapter of life works out



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 12:11 AM
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originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Really, when you think about it, it's like the military is putting out the message that it condones rape, child molestation, and corruption in general. The way I see it, the soldier swore an oath and he was upholding it.



And remember all that one of the reasons folks got behind the Taliban was that they were going after the boy rape dudes leading citizens ect. They took one guy and shoved a tank barrel up his ass and drove around town with the impaled, to the cheers of the peasantry.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 12:48 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
Well ,if you're going to burn anyway, at LEAST beat his ass.


For starters, yes.

I'm actually surprised this Green Beret confronted him directly, instead of dealing with him covertly. I mean, it's Afghanistan, people disappear all the time and turn up dismembered somewhere.

This guy's only crime in my eyes, was a lack of subtlety. But then again, in a country where pedophilia and the sexual abuse of children has been an accepted cultural norm for centuries, maybe he was trying to openly make the point that this shiz is no longer acceptable.

I hope he fights it. I don't even think he should get an Article 15.



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