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Is There Evidence for Evolution? Show it to us.

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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 12:48 AM
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originally posted by: cooperton

So he admits its in the form of a footprint, but then shakes it off as implausible because it does not fit within his belief frame. Textbook bias.


You must not be reading the same piece of literature I just did because that's not what he is saying at all. He is describing a very specific way that shale breaks, a spalling. He further goes on to say that yes, this spalling does appear as if it is a footprint as a result of the way it broke off but upon investigating the piece beyond simply the initial appearance, there is nothing else that indicates it is actually a footprint. There are very specific hallmarks of a footprint when left in sediment, this piece of shale has none of those aside from the spalling breaking off in such a way that to a layperson, it appears to be a footprint at first glance. It is nothing more than pareidolia that has been taken up as a 'cause celebrity' by YEC proponents. The only "textbook bias" is by you and others who don't know anything about geology or can't be bothered to go to the library and borrow some books.

Can you explain to me what the habitat of a trilobite is and how exactly a person could step on one even if they were contemporaneous species?




posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: Phantom423
The Chinese were very prolific writers. Are there any historical reports confirming what he saw? Seems like there would be corroborating stories out there...


The countless depictions of dragons in Chinese history seems to be exactly that. Since dinosaur was not a word until around 1850, and dinosaur-looking creature would have been called a dragon. Currently we pass it off as myth, but the overload of dragon "myths" makes you wonder.



In any case, I respect your opinion. You're entitled to it. I will disagree with it and present evidence, but I do think it's worthwhile to question everything.

Have a nice weekend.


My man. I genuinely thank you for that. All this arguing shouldn't be separating us, but rather the search for the truth should be a cooperative effort. As long as you have this concept in your mind as a possibility, no matter how implausible you may see it to be at this time, it may serve you well in the future.

Question everything indeed.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: peter vlar
The only "textbook bias" is by you and others who don't know anything about geology or can't be bothered to go to the library and borrow some books.


Well, sure there is a possibility that it is a fraud, and I admitted such a possibility for the other examples of contemporary accounts of supposed "100mya creatures". But are all these accounts frauds? Did countless ancient historians intend to deceive us? I am not asking you to accept anything I am saying, just consider it with an open mind.


Can you explain to me what the habitat of a trilobite is and how exactly a person could step on one even if they were contemporaneous species?


Even the skeptics of the footprint insisted the trilobite aspect of the fossil was indeed genuine, so whatever the circumstance was, it must have been on stepping grounds in order for William Meister to stumble upon it on land.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:52 AM
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The very most intelligent people in the world who have done the most beneficial things for mankind as a whole were agnostic or athiest or something else the itty bitty minds of the faithful would consider infidels, like those muslims that refused to come out of the stone age until when ?. The theory of evolution and the evidence to them which they considered proof enough of that theory are what caused many to veer off from this faith gobbledy gook.

Big problem here is when one is bombarded with religious propaganda from the moment one comes into this world, they sometimes find it difficult to see things in any other way than they have been conditioned to see things by the church. This inhibits positive progress toward societal evolution it itself.

I don't ascribe to any opinion regarding creation or evolution, I only know that those who babble creationism sound way more uninformed than those who babble evolutionary theory.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:58 AM
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I saw proof enough of evolution for me when I was in college taking advanced anatomy and physiology, among many other courses.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 08:59 AM
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iso proof of god



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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Anyone with eyes that see their world around them without being clouded by religious conditioning can see there is more proof of evolution than there is proof of god and creation.

There is really no proof of either in the end because we humans just don't really know anything at all about our universe yet.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: cooperton

Thanks for that - it's the art and science of discovery.

And BTW, "My man" happens to be a lady!!



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: cooperton

Thanks for that - it's the art and science of discovery.

And BTW, "My man" happens to be a lady!!



Oops. I've been arbitrarily reading your posts in a man's voice. I should say my human* from now on when gender is unknown. Although two syllables kind of ruins the flow of the phrase.


originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
The theory of evolution and the evidence to them which they considered proof enough of that theory are what caused many to veer off from this faith gobbledy gook.


Evolution is what initially caused me to veer off the faith as well. Ironically my catholic school upbringings hastened this process because I could see through the hypocrisy of the words of my teachers. This is why it is imperative you read it on your own and form your own opinion, regardless if you believe it or not. in my own experience, the more you grow "spiritually" the more the text begins to make sense.



Big problem here is when one is bombarded with religious propaganda from the moment one comes into this world, they sometimes find it difficult to see things in any other way than they have been conditioned to see things by the church. This inhibits positive progress toward societal evolution it itself.


Unfortunately it is pushed on people who are not ready for it. Could you imagine if people kept telling you an answer to a question you had not yet come to? Obviously its going to tarnish the reputation of the entire concept. Regardless, it is important to consider the possibility that scientific "propaganda" is issuing the same type of delusion as hypocritically "religious" people. I do not mean to say that raw data is incorrect, but rather, when we assimilate extrapolations from the data as 100% fact it can lead to people following fallacy.

This is why I am presenting the counter-evidence such as the many depictions, both written and drawn, of dinosaurs by our ancestors. But if you're adamantly stuck in a certain opinion, it inhibits your ability to consider such evidence.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Big problem here is when one is bombarded with religious propaganda from the moment one comes into this world...

Agree 100%...


Evolution is a religion based upon faith and assumptions that have nothing to do with Science.

It is believed TOTALLY by blind faith.

What is so ironic is the fact that the creation model is actually far more scientific and less religious than evolution is.


With the passing years, proponents of this failed theory are behaving more and more like religious dogmatists in their unwillingness to submit the foundations of their theory to open inquiry and discussion. Instead, they heap scorn and ridicule on their critics, insisting that anyone who has the audacity to question the truth of their sacred theory must be either stupid, insane or evil.

The theory of biological evolution fails every test of scientific integrity.

At the heart of the problem is the fact that Evolution, disguised as a viable scientific theory, is actually a tool of religious propaganda and cultural domination...

Donald Gould, former editor of the New Scientist magazine, describes this behavior quite graphically ...

"The scientific establishment bears a grisly resemblance to the Spanish Inquisition. Either you accept the rules and attitudes and beliefs promulgated by the 'papacy' (for which read, perhaps, the Royal Society or the Royal College of Physicians), or face a dreadful retribution. We will not actually burn you at the stake, because that sanction, unhappily, is now no longer available under our milksop laws. But we will make damned sure that you are a dead duck in our trade."

We see then that the behavior of pro-Evolution "scientists" is often very un-scientific, displaying a shocking degree of bigotry and prejudice. Where there ought to be calm, reasoned discussion of the issues, there are only threats, abusive name-calling and academic intimidation. Are these strong-arm tactics warranted? Who is the true scientist in such surreal confrontations?

Evolution is Not Science

In the Illuminati propaganda arsenal, the greatest tool for destroying faith in God has been Darwin's theory of evolution. I know some say "I believe in evolution and God." Nonetheless, countless people have become atheists from being taught the theory as "fact" - I was once one of them.

Darwinism is an Illuminati Scam

The truth is there is no debate, it's an open/shut case when observed through the lens of historical fact: The 'evolution theory' is purely a political weapon used to shut down Man's awakening to his true potential which began with the spread of the revelation of Christ as the promised Savior which all the world was waiting for... Now look around you: illiteracy/ignorance is up, 'science' is faked to serve Global politics and transnational corporations... Socialists needed evolution as the backbone to sell their world-view and evolution needed Socialism to force it into the public mind via compulsory learning and media support.

Exposing the Pagan Roots of Evolution

Ever since the time of Darwin, part of the major press has been given the task of disseminating Darwinist indoctrination. The Darwinists of the time were well aware that the theory of evolution would never be corroborated by any scientific evidence, but produced a Darwinist dictatorship as the result of systematic and organized activities and charged part of the major press with spreading the fraud. The press in question is still at work today. The only difference is that the Darwinist fraud they perpetrate has now been exposed.

Darwinist Propaganda Techniques

Clearly, a continued belief in the absolute truth of Darwinist evolution is but an act of faith that fulfills a psychological need of folks who have rejected God. That picture on the wall of the science class of apes on four legs, then apes on two legs, then homo erectus walking upright is as much an expression of faith as the picture of Adam and Eve and the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

Darwinism — A cult in which few believe

"Darwinism aids the New Age goal of global purging... The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deity: omnipotent chance." ~ T. Rosazak

"Now, it is easy to show that Darwinism, one of the pillars of modern biology, is nothing but a kind of cult, a cult religion. I am not exaggerating. It has no scientific validity whatsoever. Darwin's so-called theory of evolution is based on absurdly irrational propositions, which did not come from scientific observations, but were artificially introduced from the outside, for political-ideological reasons."

Jonathan Tennenbaum: Toward a True Science of Life

"...many elite controlled organizations are heavily involved in the spread of the evolution theory" archive.org...

"The illuminati have a much deeper agenda than most people know, they promote and fund the teaching of evolution, while behind the curtains they worship Lucifer the devil as their own God.. they know the truth in the Bible and they know satan is real, its the sheep who are under the illusion.. please have a look at this and think hard."

the-complete-truth.blogspot.com...

His theory of evolution was the result of the spread of Kabbalistic occult science in Europe following the Reformation and through the masonic Alta Vendita, a conspiracy to subvert the Christian faith and replace it with the anti-Christ Kabbalistic world order. Darwinism and its occult science set the foundation for technocracy, or, the scientific dictatorship currently enveloping the world.

Illuminati Agents – Series V



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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: cooperton


Regardless, it is important to consider the possibility that scientific "propaganda" is issuing the same type of delusion as hypocritically "religious" people. I do not mean to say that raw data is incorrect, but rather, when we assimilate extrapolations from the data as 100% fact it can lead to people following fallacy.


science done correctly stands a minimal chance of coming to that, and checks itself frequently for it. the purpose of science is to study the world with human tools while eliminating as much human error as possible. there are no other means, no superior means, available to us...yet.
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

there are no other means, no superior means, available to us...yet.


Socrates believed that all knowledge was latent in our being. From an evolutionist perspective this makes no sense. But, if you consider intelligent creation in which God manifested in the form of a human, then intuitively we would think that the omniscient knowledge would be present in us. Searching within and understanding what we are is imperative for our journey:

"Know Thyself"

-Carved in the entrance at the Oracle of Delphi


originally posted by: Murgatroid
In the Illuminati propaganda arsenal, the greatest tool for destroying faith in God has been Darwin's theory of evolution. I know some say "I believe in evolution and God." Nonetheless, countless people have become atheists from being taught the theory as "fact" - I was once one of them


Dinosaurs are one of the main reasons people believe in an old earth and that evolution is true, which then causes them to conclude God is nonexistent. This deception, by dinosaurs/dragons, is predicted in the Bible:

"and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world " (Revelation 12:9)
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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Socrates believed that all knowledge was latent in our being. From an evolutionist perspective this makes no sense. But, if you consider intelligent creation in which God manifested in the form of a human, then intuitively we would think that the omniscient knowledge would be present in us. Searching within and understanding what we are is imperative for our journey:


while he was a very clever man, socrates was neither a biologist nor physicist, and he lacked the equipment and data of modern science.


Dinosaurs are one of the main reasons people believe in an old earth and that evolution is true, which then causes them to conclude God is nonexistent. This deception, by dinosaurs/dragons, is predicted in the Bible:

"and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world " (Revelation 12:9)


...is this really the best evidence you can produce for us? superstition mired in circular logic?


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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: Murgatroid

Talk about Orwellian Double Speak.

So according to you, Evolution is now a Faith based Religion and Creationism is now fact based Science??? That's what you're saying correct???

Well, obviously if that is the case then you should have no problem putting forth all that Fact Based Scientific Evidence for Creationism then right??? So let's see it.

Let's see all the Science data on Creationism then. Let's see all those Scientific Studies and Experimental data for Creationism. Let's see all those Creation Facts proven with the Scientific method then.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm
Why is this subject so polarizing? Why cannot both Evolution and Creationism be true and whatever is manipulating the 'growth' or progress of this system is working with both concepts to a positive result.


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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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Why cannot both Evolution and Creationism be true and working hand in hand with each other?

Because the Bible says that man and all living things were created, as is. Fundamentalists seem to have a problem with anything which says otherwise. That's why they don't like science.

That, and because fundamentalists want creation to be taught in science class. That's why scientists don't like them.

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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing



Why cannot both Evolution and Creationism be true and working hand in hand with each other?


Because the Bible says that man and all living things were created, as is. Fundamentalists seem to have a problem with anything which says otherwise. That's why they don't like science.

That, and because fundamentalists want creation to be taught in science class. That's why scientists don't like them.

What is the Bible other than a book meant for (people that couldn't read at that time) manifesto or first salvo of the spiritual/metaphorical type (by those in power manipulating the masses) in an attempt to keep people from killing each other (the bible domesticates humans) or ON PURPOSE having the living live in fear of the church's wrath (bible as its manifesto). If one is speaking of hard/theoretical Science 2000 years ago, not much of that existed either. Call a truce finally; its 20 centuries later.
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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

Sure.
Just stop calling "creationism" science, because it's not.
Just stop saying evolution is wrong because the Bible says so.
Keep creation out of science class and keep evolution out of Sunday school.

Do that, and the debate would go away. Viola!


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posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Why is this subject so polarizing? Why cannot both Evolution and Creationism be true and whatever is manipulating the 'growth' or progress of this system is working with both concepts to a positive result.



If you think they are both involved that's fine with me but you still have to show evidence for them both. Evolution has evidence and creationism doesn't. Simply show how and why it is part of it.



posted on Aug, 29 2015 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Sure.
Just stop calling "creationism" science, because it's not.
Just stop saying evolution is wrong because the Bible says so.
Keep creation out of science class and keep evolution out of Sunday school.

Do that, and the debate would go away. Viola!

Creationism isn't a hard science! (cannot be physically measured). I would question 'theoretical' as a "may fit". I have never read the Bible you are familiar with (the Enochian version or the books dis-included in the current bible YES) so you have one ups man ship on me regarding "Because The Bible Says So" truisms. Another elective for the children; Creationism class after Science class/ either or both (permission slip from parents required).
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