Rebels in Ukraine's Donetsk plan referendum on joining Russia

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Whatever.....guy.

People can read.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Ignoring the fact that there were 2 constitutions in 1992, the first of which made Crimea effectively independent of Ukraine is also spin.

Care to expand?

a reply to: Azureblue

The US would most likely place more sanctions on Russia then urge Ukraine to recognize the annexations so that Ukraine could then join NATO. Once Ukraine joined the US would possibly then move some their military bases out of Germany and into Poland ( Poland's top generals have been asking for the US to do this for years).

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: SerialDrilla

There are no "obvious reasons" - if they were "obvious" I would discuss them - your reasons are whatever your reasons are and if you do not tell me them I do not know what they are.

Your following sentences are meaningless - what do you mean?

He most likely works in one of those Russian propaganda rooms. There are unspeakable human rights violations going on in Eastern Ukraine since this campaign begin. The things you don't hear about in the media.

originally posted by: SerialDrilla
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Ignoring the fact that there were 2 constitutions in 1992, the first of which made Crimea effectively independent of Ukraine is also spin.

Care to expand?

There were 2 constitutions in 1992 - what needs expanding?

The first one had Crimea as a sovereign state with it's own President, constitutional court, Crimean laws taking precedence over Ukrainian ones and its own foreign policy. It did say it "enters into the state of Ukraine and defines its relations with Ukraine on the basis of contract and agreements." - but in eth context of the 2014 invasion this was clearly going to mean no agreements and no contracts so not entering "into he state of Ukraine".

the 2nd one came a day later after there were some negotiations - clearly the Kiev Govt was not impressed - the 2nd constitution made Ukraine an "Autonomous Republic" - which is a great deal less than a sovereign state!

Hope that helps

Post withdrawn because I don't know what I am talking about!

a reply to: SerialDrilla

I was refering to the scenarios in which Putin was supposed to invade the Ukraine and other Eastern European countries.

In case you haven't noticed, he has already invaded Ukraine. Russian soldiers are dying in Donbass and the cowardly Putin lies to the dead boys' parents about it.

a reply to: Gomar

Atleast, the people in Donetsk speak Russian, and Russia has real history in Ukraine going back 1000 years.

And yet they haven't been Russian since 1991, and even then they were considered Ukrainian.

So just because they speak Russian...they should be considered Russian, even though they don't live there and most were not born there?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Gomar

Atleast, the people in Donetsk speak Russian, and Russia has real history in Ukraine going back 1000 years.

And yet they haven't been Russian since 1991, and even then they were considered Ukrainian.

So just because they speak Russian...they should be considered Russian, even though they don't live there and most were not born there?

Russian speaking Ukrainians just don't want to be ruled be a STRATFOR sponsored government that they did not vote for. Their legal democratic government overthrown by McGain and Neuland cookie distribution network.

Y'all 'merkins speak English..........

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Gomar

Atleast, the people in Donetsk speak Russian, and Russia has real history in Ukraine going back 1000 years.

And yet they haven't been Russian since 1991, and even then they were considered Ukrainian.

So just because they speak Russian...they should be considered Russian, even though they don't live there and most were not born there?

Russian speaking Ukrainians just don't want to be ruled be a STRATFOR sponsored government that they did not vote for. Their legal democratic government overthrown by McGain and Neuland cookie distribution network.

Except of course they did vote for it and then they voted for it again... and the only unelected "governments" in Ukraine are, of course, the regimes in Crimea and het Donbas, supported by a hostile military power......

so I'm missing your point here??

Germany and France have backed Ukraine on its position of the illegal elections that the break away provinces are trying to hold. They will be considered a breach of the Minsk agreements and Russia will be held responsible.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

delusions of grandeur:

The so-called embassy incident shows at the same time the delusions of grandeur and otherworldliness of President Lukashenko.

a reply to: yulka

no, you are not making any sense.