CNN/ORC Poll: Donald Trump now competitive in general election

Trump or Hillary the destroyer who makes the godfather look like a priest when it comes to morality?
TRUMP

Trump or Jeb the faux Republican with lots of liberal leanings?
TRUMP

The only real contender as far as I am concerned,
not a politician for sure,
they have done a great job of
totally destroying the country.
Fiorina is the only one besides Trump
and who I think would be better than Trump

Sanders will keep leading us down
the socialist/communist rabbit hole
that has destroyed the economies
and living standards of Europe

NO MORE PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS FOR PRESIDENT, NONE ZIP, NADA
THROW OUT THE BUMS!

Fiorina is our only hope
then Trump

However, when it comes to the Democrats,

Trump can beat any Democrat.

Blacks love Trump,
witness the videos the black ladies are putting out
supporting him.

His show has given black people a chance to shine as smart
and competent leaders and executives (ie black rapper,
basketball players, etc).

He even gave Rodman a second chance after he
sobered up.

He has demonstrated to Black people that he is open and fair
and he has demonstrated to women
that when it comes to on the job, he is
fair.

If he is the Republican nominee, he'll definitely take most of the
black vote, and a great deal of the women's votes too.

Don't underestimate him.

People are fed up entirely with lifetime politicians who care more
about power and reelection than the country.

Remember, blacks watch more TV than any other racial group in the US.
Trump is known to them, Trump is loved by them.

a reply to: grandmakdw

That would be racist if it weren't true.

Trump/Florina in '16

a reply to: LDragonFire

Let me give you an alternative take on this poll. What it's saying is that neither Trump or Hillary will be in the general election. It's nearly impossible to be the front runner this early out and sustain momentum until the end. The ideal spot to be in this position is in the 3rd to 10th positions, where you are high enough to be a serious candidate but not so high that everyone is aiming at you.

This country never ceases to amaze me. The fact that there is such wide support for Trump from both from the short-attention-span populous and even people here on ATS is pathetic. What a sad sad comment on the state of this country.

Trump has zero substance, zero examples of how he would be good for this country. Is petty, thin-skinned and tactless (as if these aren't signs of his own shortfalls), a hand-me-down failure of a businessman that admits to buying politicians, a shallow trophy-wife collector, and a sensationalist shock-value reality-TV personality at best. If we elect him, we deserve him, and the destruction that he brings. I am not for over-hyped doomy predictions, but this dude is a true idiot, and is part of the problem. If you think government is bad, then you have people like Trump to thank... they have steered government (for his, and only his, ultimate favor). And why do I have a funny feeling that the same people that loved Palin are loving Trump. Scary.

plus his tax problems are soon to be revealed...you'll see....along with some other nasty skeletons, real nasty!!!

a reply to: olaru12

Don't know about any skeletons in his closet, I think the news paper, tv, and tabloids over the last 30 years nailed about everything that Trump has done.

Like one other said, enough with the Clintons and Bushes, we tried Obama and that failed which all the previous were Politian's already, lets see what a Business man can do for us, the country needs to be ran like a business, not like circus

originally posted by: 19KTankCommander
Don't know about any skeletons in his closet, I think the news paper, tv, and tabloids over the last 30 years nailed about everything that Trump has done.

Like one other said, enough with the Clintons and Bushes, we tried Obama and that failed which all the previous were Politian's already, lets see what a Business man can do for us, the country needs to be ran like a business, not like circus

If we're going to take a businessman, lets take one with a plan like Perot had. He knew what was coming and tried to head it off. All Trump has suggested is reacting to what has already happened, and he hasn't even suggested something viable yet on that front.

originally posted by: the owlbear

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: TonySarc
Awesome. I love reading posts and articles in the media by people who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. This should produce some spectacular meltdowns.

One of the meltdowns could be Trump himself. He is treating this election like a sprint when it actually is a marathon.
Jeb is playing it cool just waiting for Trump to stumble or burn out. The media blitz from Jeb is going to be political hype never seen before in this country.

Please no!! Anyone but another freaking Bush.....Is your dog running? He got my vote against another Bush for real!

My vote as well.

Trump Derangement Syndrome will burn out eventually. Not the deranged Donald himself, just his "dey terk our jerbs!" crowd will inevitably remember what a president does and maybe get a little scared.

I've been scared. When Trump wins, I'll finally get a good night sleep.

When Democratic party expunged moderates and swung radically left I warned people who I knew that went all in with that swing that when swinging the pendulum that far it would swing back with vengeance.

I believe it's going to swing far, very far in response.

originally posted by: Phoenix
When Democratic party expunged moderates and swung radically left I warned people who I knew that went all in with that swing that when swinging the pendulum that far it would swing back with vengeance.

I believe it's going to swing far, very far in response.

Radically left? The Democrat party today is further to the right than Reagan was, and in comparison to virtually every country in the western world outside of the US would be the far right party.

I don't think you have any idea of what left actually is.

These polls are completely ridiculous. It's not a national vote so what's the point in doing national polls?

In the United States, only about 1000 members of the Electoral College actually vote for President, and many of them aren't legally bound to elect the same way voters did in their states. The US election is a complete sham designed to make people think they're voting in the "Greatest Democracy on Earth".

All the citizens THINK they are voting for President, but when it comes down to it, NO ONE really is, other than the Electoral College members, who are SELECTED, not elected.

Remember in 2012 when the media kept saying that it was "within a margin of error so therefore a statistical dead heat" between Obama and Romney?

If you look at the ELECTORAL COLLEGE votes from 2012, Romney never, ever got within 150 votes of Obama. it wasn't even close.

Same here. When it comes down to which states would vote Trump over Clinton, likely only the real hardcore Republican states would be leaning Trump at this early stage.

You've gotta do a state by state poll and compare Electoral College numbers if you really, really want to get an accurate picture.

originally posted by: Phoenix
When Democratic party expunged moderates and swung radically left I warned people who I knew that went all in with that swing that when swinging the pendulum that far it would swing back with vengeance.

I believe it's going to swing far, very far in response.

The pendulum has already swung extremely right in the USA. It's so far right at the moment that IMHO it's only a matter of time before the USA gets a National Front type party. The TEA Party is only a heartbeat away from being completely bastardized into this.

Nationalists are currently rampant around the USA. When you have folks like Trump saying how they're going to kick out all the illegals and everyone just nods their heads and agrees, it's not a big step from this to "America for Americans" which is the start of a very, very dangerous and slippery slope for the United States.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Phoenix
When Democratic party expunged moderates and swung radically left I warned people who I knew that went all in with that swing that when swinging the pendulum that far it would swing back with vengeance.

I believe it's going to swing far, very far in response.

Radically left? The Democrat party today is further to the right than Reagan was, and in comparison to virtually every country in the western world outside of the US would be the far right party.

I don't think you have any idea of what left actually is.

There aren't many true far left parties in the world any more. All the parties that claim to be left wing actually have center right policies.

The trouble is that the right wing parties are so far to the right that even center right policies seem left wing by comparison.

In Canada, we have the NDP, who are a bit more left than the Democrats (who are definitely NOT left wing, but more center right), but the Labour party in the UK is certainly more center right than left, and even parties like the Greens in Germany have many policies that pander to the center right.

When you get to parties like the Scottish National Party, they pretend to be left wing but really are centrist right. Most political parties around the world are very pro business and don't give a damn about the average working joe.

I don’t know whether to laugh or go cry myself to sleep. We’re done for...

We’re in worse shape than I thought. I hate politics, and always have. It’s basically the art of the con, with the American people (in this case) being the mark. And believe me, we make an easy mark. People in general are so gullible and easily manipulated, a halfway decent scam artist can talk us into just about anything. And I mean ANYTHING. Politicians love this and take it to the limit.

I thought it was kinda hunorous when Trump threw his hat in the ring. And I really thought it was a hoot the way he trashed everyone and got away with it. He had senators burning their cell phones and Fox News walking on egg shells. What a knee-slapper. Oh well, I thought, that’s Hollywood!

But then he kept gaining more and more momentum. Even insulting and threatening whole ethnic groups and nations were fair game. It only made his support grow. And now, against all odds, here we are and he’s leading the pack by more than ever. It defies all common sense and the laws of nature.

It’s easy to say things like, “I’ll build a wall...”, or “I’ll take their oil and destroy ISIS...”, etc. For a lot of folks it has a nice ring to it. Doing it, however, is another thing, and it’s a national embarassment how easily us Americans buy into it. Seriously, are we that gullible? That naive? I guess the answer is, “You betcha, and proud of it!”

I’ve gotta admit, I’ve had a few chuckles over the Trump run, but I never thought the American people would so thoroughly and eagerly eat it up. It’s like we’re having a mass stupid fit. Next thing to come will be the icing on the cake: Trump will take on Kim Kardashian as a running mate. AND WIN!!

It’s a wonderful day in the neighborhood...

a reply to: netbound

It makes perfect sense to me as I wrote about it in the following thread:

Is Donald Trump the embodiment of a "Hail Mary pass"?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think Trump is basically Obama 2.0. An apparent upgrade over the same idea which is that Obama was the first "Hail Mary pass" (on the 'liberal' side) but he largely failed, right? Is Trump the "Hail Mary pass" on the 'conservative' side? It may be a product of cognitive dissonance, people may be thinking that Obama failed as a "Hail Mary pass" because he's 'liberal' so a 'conservative' "Hail Mary pass" may succeed. I think most here would see that for the delusional thinking it is.

Let's do the kind of superficial analysis that a typical voter might do:

Trump is not a career politician, Obama was. Advantage Trump.

Obama hadn't accomplished much in his life outside of politics, Trump is a hugely successful businessman. Advantage Trump.

Trump is white. Advantage Trump.

Trump is promising 'conservative' things while Obama was promising 'liberal' things. Advantage Trump.

You could probably keep that going for a while and in my opinion you're left with:

Trump is Obama 2.0, an apparent upgrade. One thing people forget about Obama is that when he first got into office he did try to do some of the things he promised but his unilateral attempts to keep his promises failed:

The Obama Puppet The World's Least Powerful Man by Paul Craig Roberts
www.rense.com...

It didn't take the Israel Lobby very long to bring President Obama to heel regarding his prohibition against further illegal Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian land. Obama discovered that a mere American president is powerless when confronted by the Israel Lobby and that the United States simply is not allowed a Middle East policy separate from Israel's.

Obama also found out that he cannot change anything else either, if he ever intended to do so. The military/security lobby has war and a domestic police state on its agenda, and a mere American president can't do anything about it.

President Obama can order the Guantanamo torture chamber closed and kidnapping and rendition and torture to be halted, but no one carries out the order.

Essentially, Obama is irrelevant.

That's why I'm not concerned about Trump's outrageous talk, just like Obama, the president can't do much alone as far as I can see.

a reply to: Profusion

I just can't see it. Obama wasn't a politician either and look where that got us. He alienated the country with Obamacare then spent 6 years being shut down by Congress. Everything he promised that he tried to implement early on he failed at because he just wasn't very good at politics.

Trump represents more of the same, he says what people want to hear, he has no viable plan to implement it, and he doesn't know how to make people work together.

a reply to: Glassbender777

What part of inheriting your wealth makes you a self-made man?

Exposing How Donald Trump Really Made His Fortune: Inheritance from Dad and the Government's Protection Mostly Did the Trick

In March 2011 Forbes estimated Donald Trump's net worth to be $2.7 billion, with a $60 million salary. Many praise and analyze his “success” as if it were self-made, and they fail to attribute the proper credit to others in society where it is deserved. Despite what Trump may espouse, his success would have been in no way possible without his father, the general public, and the US government. Unfortunately, Trump decided to forget or selectively ignore these truths while forming his political philosophy, a sentiment made particularly clear during his brief bid for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

Trump was born in New York City in 1946, the son of real estate tycoon Fred Trump. Fred Trump’s business success not only provided Donald Trump with a posh youth of private schools and economic security but eventually blessed him with an inheritance worth an estimated $40 million to $200 million. It is critical to note, however, that his father’s success, which granted Donald Trump such a great advantage, was enabled and buffered by governmental financing programs. In 1934, while struggling during the Great Depression, financing from the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) allowed Fred Trump to revive his business and begin building a multitude of homes in Brooklyn, selling at $6,000 apiece. Furthermore, throughout World War II, Fred Trump constructed FHA-backed housing for US naval personnel near major shipyards along the East Coast.

I mean when you start OUT rich, there is no excuse for not getting richer... Especially when you like to take advantage of corporate welfare.

a reply to: Profusion

Good post, however you can replace Trump's name with Romney and we all know how that worked out.

a reply to: Profusion

Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises

On Campaign Promises Report Card, Obama Did 'Pretty Well'

PolitiFact deputy editor Angie Holan tells weekends on All Things Considered host Jacki Lyden the results are mixed, but on the whole he did pretty well: Some 47 percent of promises were kept — good by politician standards — and only 23 percent were rated as broken.

"Another 26 percent he made partial progress on, we rate those promises as a compromise," Holan said.

A boon to Obama's promise-keeping came from the passage of big-name programs like the economic stimulus package and the education program Race to the Top.

The only people who believe that Obama didn't keep his campaign promises are foolish Conservatives who only listen to Conservative news.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

That is true. But that doesn't not make one a good public servant.

Trump would be an option if the US was a casino, but it is not.

Obama and company (a large company with a large host of liberal (communist trained) politicians and appointees sure treat America like a casino. And they love the unlimited credit while gambling, and always losing OUR MONEY.

They seen to always roll snake eyes.

Trump would make it profitable for America again simply because he hates losing money, and that includes money from investors. (us) That is how a non establishment bread winner like Trump naturally operates out of habit and instinct.

He wouldn't loot the entire system like the others guys have already done. People are against Trump because they would all be FIRED and lose their free lunch, (and breakfast and dinner buffet too). *Translates as "crony corrupted country looting politicians" or CCCLP for acronym fans.

I urge everyone to change the channel during the commercial breaks during CNN's GOP Debate on Wednesday 9-16-2015. Change the channel, go do something, and come back 3 minutes later. When you change the channel, your satellite or cable provider notes this in their aggregate viewer statistics and makes the report available to networks, advertisers, etc..

CNN is charging advertisers something like $200,000 for each minute during the debate, and an extremely elevated price for advertising immediately before and after the debate. Even today, 24 hours before the debate, CNN would have you believe that there is nothing more important happening in the world...this entire week. It's wall-to-wall fake concerns about Republicans from a Liberal "news" network.

Change the channel during commercials, or, don't turn on CNN at all tomorrow evening. Take their credibility down another notch.