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posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 09:50 PM
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originally posted by: Simmderdown
a reply to: enlightenedservant




Also, gender segregation isn't actually in the Qur'an. And believe it or not, many of the women prefer to be separated from the men in the mosque, particularly if they have children w/them. They congregate in a separate area and well, they don't let me in there so I have no clue what else they do lol.


Typical response

" no really the women like it that way

They dont like having freedoms and dont want to be treated equal, really they like it "

"the gays love being thrown off buildings"

just stop it



Then by all means, show me where it is in the Qur'an.

I'm an actual Muslim as are many of the women in my life, so I might have a better perspective on this than you. Then again, I'm sure you actually asked the Muslims you've met in person about this in order to come to your conclusion, right? Right? If not, it just appears that you're making this up out of thin air.




posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant





Oh really? Russia has a Christian majority as does the US. So why can't they get along?


Point me to the Christan sects that are actively killing each other because of their religious beliefs (god that even sounds stupid saying it, but its what Muslims do)




I also take it you've never actually studied Buddhist politics, have you? Otherwise you'd know there have been plenty of Buddhist extremist groups in the past & even in the present.


Point me to present day Buddhists Sects that are actively murdering each other for their religious beliefs (and im not talking a lil bit here or a lil bit here every few years, im tlaking full on sectarian VIOLENCE like we see in the ME)





As for Hindus. Do you really not know anything about the caste system and the Dalits (aka "untouchables)? Or India's history with the "Criminal Tribes Act", where entire Indian ethnic groups were considered criminal by law?




DO i really need to repeat it again? for the Hindus




Also, how on Earth is someone supposed to "see the truth when it's cutting their heads off"? What does that even mean? I feel like I'm missing out on a bad joke or some obscure pop culture reference.


The Irony is sweet



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant




Then by all means, show me where it is in the Qur'an.

I'm an actual Muslim as are many of the women in my life, so I might have a better perspective on this than you. Then again, I'm sure you actually asked the Muslims you've met in person about this in order to come to your conclusion, right? Right? If not, it just appears that you're making this up out of thin air.



Naa I just watched the ones being shot in the streets in Iran , or the women being killed for daring to get an education

Etc Etc Etc

Say what you want blood in the streets doesnt lie



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: Simmderdown
a reply to: enlightenedservant




Then by all means, show me where it is in the Qur'an.

I'm an actual Muslim as are many of the women in my life, so I might have a better perspective on this than you. Then again, I'm sure you actually asked the Muslims you've met in person about this in order to come to your conclusion, right? Right? If not, it just appears that you're making this up out of thin air.



Naa I just watched the ones being shot in the streets in Iran , or the women being killed for daring to get an education

Etc Etc Etc

Say what you want blood in the streets doesnt lie


In other words, you don't know what you're talking about? Got it.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Simmderdown
a reply to: enlightenedservant




Then by all means, show me where it is in the Qur'an.

I'm an actual Muslim as are many of the women in my life, so I might have a better perspective on this than you. Then again, I'm sure you actually asked the Muslims you've met in person about this in order to come to your conclusion, right? Right? If not, it just appears that you're making this up out of thin air.



Naa I just watched the ones being shot in the streets in Iran , or the women being killed for daring to get an education

Etc Etc Etc

Say what you want blood in the streets doesnt lie


In other words, you don't know what you're talking about? Got it.


Im sorry , prove that it isnt true, thats exactly what they were killed for, to deny this is a flat out Lie

If youre so enlightened why do you choose to follow and defend a religion that kills gay people and puts women as less valuable then men
edit on 20-8-2015 by Simmderdown because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Simmderdown
a reply to: enlightenedservant





Oh really? Russia has a Christian majority as does the US. So why can't they get along?


Point me to the Christan sects that are actively killing each other because of their religious beliefs (god that even sounds stupid saying it, but its what Muslims do)




I also take it you've never actually studied Buddhist politics, have you? Otherwise you'd know there have been plenty of Buddhist extremist groups in the past & even in the present.


Point me to present day Buddhists Sects that are actively murdering each other for their religious beliefs (and im not talking a lil bit here or a lil bit here every few years, im tlaking full on sectarian VIOLENCE like we see in the ME)



As for Hindus. Do you really not know anything about the caste system and the Dalits (aka "untouchables)? Or India's history with the "Criminal Tribes Act", where entire Indian ethnic groups were considered criminal by law?




DO i really need to repeat it again? for the Hindus




Also, how on Earth is someone supposed to "see the truth when it's cutting their heads off"? What does that even mean? I feel like I'm missing out on a bad joke or some obscure pop culture reference.


The Irony is sweet


So wait, Christian majority organizations killing other Christians doesn't count in your example? And do you even know what "Hindu" means? I pointed out a direct example & it appeared to go over your head.

I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting my time here. I was only responding out of boredom but responding to someone who literally doesn't know anything about these subjects is getting even more boring. Maybe I'll check back in on this thread later if someone else actually has any substance to talk about.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant




So wait, Christian majority organizations killing other Christians doesn't count in your example? And do you even know what "Hindu" means? I pointed out a direct example & it appeared to go over your head.



no it doesnt, for common sense reasons, THEY ARENT KILLING EACH OTHER BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION

Kinda the whole point behind the Sunni's and Shiites Wahabis etc killing each other

Cognitive dissonance much?




I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting my time here. I was only responding out of boredom but responding to someone who literally doesn't know anything about these subjects is getting even more boring. Maybe I'll check back in on this thread later if someone else actually has any substance to talk about.



Thats fine, still doesnt mean im not right



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: Simmderdown

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Simmderdown
a reply to: enlightenedservant




Then by all means, show me where it is in the Qur'an.

I'm an actual Muslim as are many of the women in my life, so I might have a better perspective on this than you. Then again, I'm sure you actually asked the Muslims you've met in person about this in order to come to your conclusion, right? Right? If not, it just appears that you're making this up out of thin air.



Naa I just watched the ones being shot in the streets in Iran , or the women being killed for daring to get an education

Etc Etc Etc

Say what you want blood in the streets doesnt lie


In other words, you don't know what you're talking about? Got it.


Im sorry , prove that it isnt true, thats exactly what they were killed for, to deny this is a flat out Lie

If youre so enlightened why do you choose to follow and defend a religion that kills gay people and puts women as less valuable then men


Wait, I guess I'll respond for this one because it's pretty dumb too.

1. How do I prove a negative? Here's the Qur'an. Quran Now find where "gender separation" exists in it.

2. In 4:93 of the Qur'an, ironically named An-Nisā' (meaning "The Women"), the Qur'an explicitly states that anyone who intentionally kills another Muslim goes to Hell. So whatever examples you're claiming to have seen happened in spite of the Qur'an's teachings, not because of them.



4:93. Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.


3. As for "following and defending a religion that kills gay people." Are you talking about Islam or Christianity? Because I distinctly remember Leviticus 20:13 saying homosexual men should be put to death.

4. As for "and puts women as less valuable then men". LOL The Qur'an is the first of the Holy Books that actually gives women the right to file a divorce and gives women the right to an inheritance. It also requires the former husband to make sure the ex-wife is taken care of financially until she remarries and requires the ex-husband to provide more aid if they have children upon divorce. Yes, it guarantees alimony & child support. The Old & New Testaments don't do either of these, so Islam actually treats women better than both Christianity & Judaism traditionally do.

Also, female Muslims are actually required to do everything male Muslims are required to do, like pray, fast during Ramadan, perform charity, go on Hajj, refrain from sin, seek & teach knowledge, etc. The things required and forbidden in the Qur'an apply to women just as much as they do to men. But you'd know that if you actually asked female Muslims this instead of whining about stuff you obviously don't know.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant




Also, female Muslims are actually required to do everything male Muslims are required to do, like pray, fast during Ramadan, perform charity, go on Hajj, refrain from sin, seek & teach knowledge, etc. The things required and forbidden in the Qur'an apply to women just as much as they do to men. But you'd know that if you actually asked female Muslims this instead of whining about stuff you obviously don't know.


Not drive, cant go to college or school w out husbands permission, can be killed for adultry (or the suspicion there of ie. See stoning) can be beaten or getting out of line....



Doesnt matter what is "written" what matters is whats practiced, especially by NATIONS of Islam

Mince words, say what you want the proof is there





edit on 20-8-2015 by Simmderdown because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant




The reason it's a dumb quote is because he's assuming we need mosques "in order to like it" somewhere.


If the muslim population grows...it will no doubt try to build a mosque....as you yourself stated...your father is building one. I went and red up a bit on this situation in Slovakia...and that's exactly what happened. There have been attempts to build one...but was rejected on grounds that Islam is not a state recognized religion in Slovakia. Apparently there is something like 5000 muslims there...and Slovakian law states that there needs to be at least 20 000 followers to be recognized by state.




We can & will pray anywhere. I've prayed in cars during work breaks, prayed on floors, in chairs, in an airplane (oh noez!), and even on grass. Some cities' Eid prayers attract so many people that we've literally had to pray in the parking lot lol.


I know you will...that's what's wrong with it in the first place. At least that's my sentiment about it.




However, I don't agree with "every man's right to set rules in his own house". And I doubt you do either. Otherwise, you'd agree that pedophiles can have child porn & rape kids in their own houses; agree that men can allow slavery & murder in their own houses; agree that con men & identity thieves can continue their actions as long as it's done from their own houses, etc.


Now you are reaching...equating criminal behavior with a simple and valid desire to have my house the way I want it to be. If I say I don't want certain people visiting or living in my house...how is that a crime ? or even a bad thing ? surely I'm entitled to say no thank you...I don't want that here. Nobody should be able to force me having you....if I dont want you.




Also, if you really believed this, then why complain about what Muslims supposedly do in our own countries? "I'm sure you support every man's right to set rules in his own house", right?


Where in the hell did I or anyone else state that we mind what you do in your own country ? Nobody cares. Just don't bring it to my doorstep...and we can even be facebook friends.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: THEatsking

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: THEatsking

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: THEatsking

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: grainofsand

How dare the Slovaks use common sense to keep out a cancer that is gaining momentum across Europe and the Middle East. How dare they want to keep there country from developing a minority that WILL as it does everywhere it gets beyond 33% agitating through terror for self rule.How dare they see teir neighbours like Serbia torn apart through having a muslim minority. How dare they want to protect their Judeo Christian heritage. They will regret this, Brussels will force them to become Islamic whether the people want it or not. How dare those Slovaks want to preserve their country the way it is today.





Amen!

I think that Slovakia is courageous and sensible. Why bring a death culture willingly into your country. These are not Americanized or even slightly Europeanized Muslims, they are the dangerous Middle Eastern variety, complete with
indoctrination of a culture of violence, misogyny, and hate.

The US is downright stupid and the EU for letting the radicalized Muslims into the countries.

Get mad at me if you wish, but it is like letting a rattlesnake live in your house.



Please leave the forum, we don't have room for bigots. Anywhere.

Thanks


This is not bigotry, it is just the truth.

Can't deal with the truth, leave the forum yourself.

The Middle Eastern Muslim is raised in a culture rife with misogyny,
hatred for non-Muslims, intolerance for homosexuals etc.
This is the absolute truth about that culture.

It is letting vipers crawl under the covers with you to
allow them into your home and community.






Are you really saying that the Middle Eastern countries are not extremely misogynistic?
I think the evidence points otherwise, with the beating for women not covered head to toe,
with not being allowed outdoors alone, with wife beating legal, with child brides legal,
with women being "given" to a husband with no choice in the matter.
Are these not cultural norms and accepted treatment of women in the ME countries?
the refugees are coming from?

Are you really saying that the Middle Eastern culture is not extremely homophobic?
I think the evidence of homosexuals thrown off buildings publicly and with glee
show otherwise.

Are you really saying that the Middle Eastern culture is not hate filled?
The evidence of the oppression of Christians, and the tearing down
of churches and the open and gleeful murder of Christians show otherwise.

It is you my friend who is living in fantasy land if you think these refugees
are not coming from and culture of hate and misogyny and they can not
help but bring that culture with them. We have seen evidence of this in
Europe, just look at the newspaper in Europe, they are full of accounts
of all of the above being brought into their countries by Muslim ME refugees.
You're woefully misinformed.



1) No it is not.

2) If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it is a duck. Calling you a bigot (In my previous post) wasn't an insult, but an observation.

3) Still not sure how what I said in this specific post could be interpreted as an insult.
I'm looking out for the betterment of humanity in this case. I'm telling you that you are misinformed. I've read up on the middle east, using only legitimate sources and science. Like any other society, they have negatives and positives. Keep in mind, what is right and wrong always has been and always will be black and white. It is what it is. All that changes is our interpretation of what is right and wrong.


So after reading up on Middle Eastern culture
you think their treatment of women is right?
I disagree completely and wholeheartedly.
you think their treatment of homosexuals is right?
I disagree completely and wholeheartedly.
you think that hating people who are not your religion is right?
I disagree completely and wholeheartedly.
you think tearing down religious building that are not of your
religion is right?
I disagree completely and wholeheartedly.

Your version of a good culture is far far from my version.
I am not a bigot, you are blinded to reality and
the reality of the Middle Eastern culture.

As a woman and a mother of daughters I shudder
at the thought of the Middle Eastern culture
being brought into the US. In the UK they are
having a huge problem with ME male immigrants
mass raping women and saying their culture
allows them to rape women as long as they are
not muslim. That is not bigotry it is in the news
frequently.

You my friend are for some reason blinded to
the truth of the violence and misogyny of the
ME culture as it is now practiced, today.
It appears to me that you may
have been brainwashed in almost a
cult like fashion by what you have been reading.




Most of the things you're saying about the middle east ( I assure you that you're over-generalizing it) apply to things that are wrong about Christian areas in the US.

Islam is no more dangerous than Christianity.
Muslims are no more dangerous than Christians.

Just because you don't know who the KKK is lynching today, doesn't mean they aren't lynching, and likely have never stopped doing it. What about the IRA? You know about all of the killing involved with ISIS because 1) ISIS isn't covering anything up and 2) The media is anti-islam.



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: yulka
a reply to: disregard

In your life only thing you ever achieved was to be born in a western civilization, whatever you did after that was a privilege, food on your table, shelter over your head. Whatever you think you accomplished in life is because 85% of the world are thriving, struggling and suffering. You are employed, not productive as the minority in the western world is. Usually the same people that complains when the have to share their privileges. People like you disgust me in ways that i cant even explain. Just cause of the fact, you wouldnt survive a day in the real world.
Go for posts not the poster.people like me? What do you mean by that?
You know my ancesters fought and built this little country. The roads the schools and everything whats worth fighting for. Thats my birthright. My family and countrymen and my ancestors gave me my life.
Jeeeze
So why cant poland and romania take more refugees?



posted on Aug, 21 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
I'm an actual Muslim as are many of the women in my life, so I might have a better perspective on this than you. Then again, I'm sure you actually asked the Muslims you've met in person about this in order to come to your conclusion, right? Right? If not, it just appears that you're making this up out of thin air.
May I ask what you think about this then:
The truth about 'patriarchal' mosques and their women problem


Bana Gora, chief executive of the Muslim Women’s Council, has spent years hearing horror stories from Muslim women about their experiences at mosques in the UK. “We found the majority of mosques follow a patriarchal model with poor access for women, and women’s representation on mosques’ governing structures was non-existent,” she tells me.
“We found segregated spaces in mosques were dated and unwelcoming, and there were some accounts of women being turned away down to a lack of space. There were also accounts of women being ushered to basements and not being able to hear or see the imam during prayers.”

So, we should believe you and not the chief exec of the Muslim Womens Council of the UK? Really?



posted on Aug, 22 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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France Studies Terrorism Link to Train Attacker


France says the man who attacked Friday a train between Amsterdam and Paris appears to have been under investigation in Spain for links to militant Islam.

Militant Islam again apparently.
All you bleeding hearts in this thread I ask how you say Muslims are no more dangerous than say Christians?
Every terrorist killing I see or hear on the news is followed by a lack of surprise by myself that it is a Muslim carrying it out.
Come on guys, show me the Christian/Sikh/Hindu terrorism in Europe killing non believers.
I've searched desperately but I find pretty much nothing, maybe I don't know how to use Google properly?



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