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Climate change expert sentenced to 32 months for fraud

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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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Whenever did the idea of human induced climate changes became THE defining factor if we pollute too much?

We don't need everybody to agree on something that's, considering how little time we've been on this earth, impossible to prove scientifically.
It's just another divide and conquer tactic to keep people not agreeing on who's to blame...

Who cares who's to blame? We gotta fix it now!

If a family's roof was leaking, would they argue on who's fault it is while they eventually drown?
"It's because of the rain!"
"No, it's because of the bad roof!"

Who cares who's to blame? They gotta fix it now!

The only thing we can and should agree on is that : WE JUST POLLUTE TOO MUCH.
- Corporations practicing planned obsolescence should be fined, not having US to paying environmental fees for buying their over-hyped products.
- I can't believe we still use non-renewable energy sources considering how much nature provides free energy constantly.
- Too much food is thrown away while many are hungry and too much land is destroyed to make more food that will ALSO be thrown away.
- Carbon taxes? We should charge them to corporations that shipped those jobs overseas to abuse of dispensable workers for the sake of never-ending profit margins. We should charge them to the automobile and oil industry that suppressed technologies and the ease of access.

We need to change our ways, individually and socially. We need to ask for it and "vote" for change every time we buy products.

So many smart minds on ATS and still I see people playing the blame game. We need to focus on the problem and focus on the parts everyone agrees with...not only on this issue! The media loves to snare the population on details we will never agree on.

We should know better here.
No one on both sides is stupid or ignorant because of their stance on climate change!

Who cares who's to blame? We gotta fix it now!
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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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Geez,I dunno,but heres more a veritable smorgasbord.


wattsupwiththat.com...



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: Sunwolf
And if you want an actual scientific opinion on the subject check out www.skepticalscience.com...

Wattsupwiththat is known for pushing pseudo science opinions.



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posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: theMediator


We should know better here.
No one on both sides is stupid or ignorant because of their stance on climate change!

Who cares who's to blame? We gotta fix it now!


I find it stupid and ignorant that so many will ignore what the experts are telling us yet run with the junk that the heartland institute puts out.

I do agree that we need not waste time and energy playing the blame game. Now is the time to come up with solutions to the man made climate change problem.

edit on 19-8-2015 by jrod because: cellphones cause typos



posted on Aug, 19 2015 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: poncho1982
a reply to: Greven
If you consider 200k a year to be crap wages, then you must already be a 1%er

It's a good wage for an American. Especially given that he didn't do any work.

The fact that it's the highest wage paid to any EPA employee and was barely $200k compared to, for example, petroleum engineers who pull in an average pay of $130k... kind of doesn't speak so well for the myth about it being so lucrative to be on that side of things.

Shows you where the money really is...
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posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 12:50 AM
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Lol how could this guy be the EPA's highest paid climate change expert when he hardly ever showed up for work? How can he not show up for 18 months and still even have a job? Geez...



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 03:02 AM
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originally posted by: poncho1982
I'll just put this out there.

www.nbcnews.com...

If he lied about working for the CIA to serve his personal greed, who's to say he doesn't lie about his "science" to do the same?

I'm losing trust in the scientific community. It's not what it used to be, that's for sure. Scientists used to CARE about their reputations. Nowadays, it's more about recognition, and money.

What a shame.


I don't get it...is this a thread about a guy skipping work ? Does this warrant a public trial and a news article ?

What a criminal.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: theMediator
Whenever did the idea of human induced climate changes became THE defining factor if we pollute too much?

The only thing we can and should agree on is that : WE JUST POLLUTE TOO MUCH.


That's something to agree with. But there are people out there busting their backsides with novel ideas just to avoid waste, and cut down power production. I've just fitted all my lighting with the new, very efficient soft light LEDS that last 25 years, they fit into the halogen sockets, or any other for that matter, the light is exactly the same as halogens, but unlike the halogens there is no element heating, they are cold, whereas a halogen will roast the hand off you they are so hot, which is just wasted energy, and the halogens don't last a crack anyway.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 07:52 AM
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Beale aside this casts a bad, very bad light on the EPA for paying an absent employee and approving expenses well beyond those allowed. I'd love to say this was a "one off" kind of thing but given the massive size of the beuracracy in Washington I'd wager that this and worse happen on a regular basis. It's one reason they can never balance the budget or seem content working at their present size and pay rates. Everyone there seems to feel like part of a big club where they scratch each other's backs and forgive these kinds of little peccadillos. Disgusting abuse of the citizens trust.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: poncho1982

And the deniers will show up in 3...2...1...

This has everything to do with stupidity and greed and has nothing to do with science. Throw the book at him-a message needs to be sent to the rest, 'eff up and you get locked up.'

This issue has me so vexed I want to lock them all up-let them beat sense into each other.




This is the growing problem as to why many are upset with those in key positions in power. The lies and propaganda is simply out of control and many are getting away with this deception.

People are upset because Crimes is going unpusnished and at worse; even get's praised by people in power. Add this up to what is going on with mainstream media in general, you basically have ticking time bomb for a society.

the only credible scientist these days seems to be Hawkings, but with all the lies being spun, I even have my doubts on that.

So i don't blame you for loosing faith in the scientific communities. But it makes you wonder, if they lie about climate change, what about the possibility of all of them being liars?


This would ultimately turn the world upside down as people begin to question things. .. I fear the future... for some reason...

*sigh* God only knows the things they do know that we do not. And that thought is very scary.
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posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 08:54 AM
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originally posted by: poncho1982

If he lied about working for the CIA to serve his personal greed, who's to say he doesn't lie about his "science" to do the same?



Climate change deniers are really grasping at straws, aren't you?

You're headline tries to make it seem like his fraud had something to do with his belief in climate change and yet it is totally unrelated. Nice try, though.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: poncho1982

If he lied about working for the CIA to serve his personal greed, who's to say he doesn't lie about his "science" to do the same?



Climate change deniers are really grasping at straws, aren't you?

You're headline tries to make it seem like his fraud had something to do with his belief in climate change and yet it is totally unrelated. Nice try, though.


Yet, if you read my post, I acknowledge it was for other reasons, and questioned whether it went deeper.

Nice try on your part though.

The title, was from NBC's article, so again, talk to them. Being a leftist news source, I would think they thought that out rather thoroughly.

You alarmists will do anything to try to divert the discussion.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: poncho1982

WOW...Not to go all crazy here and propose logic or rational thought...

But if 98% of practicing scientists believe climate change exists...how many people does that equal?

What are the odds that ONE of them lied or committed fraud about another topic..like working for the CIA?

Do we now believe the earth is flat because Bernie Madoff claimed it was round?

All Climate debate aside...the thinking behind this OP is broken.


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posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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Shouldn't all the climate change people be sentecned to to jail for fraud ...lol



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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Even at that point, prosecutors say, Beale sought to “cover his tracks.’” He told a few close colleagues at EPA that he would plead guilty “to take one for the team,” suggesting that he was willing to go to jail to protect people at the CIA.


Wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't lying.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: poncho1982

If he lied about working for the CIA to serve his personal greed, who's to say he doesn't lie about his "science" to do the same?



Climate change deniers are really grasping at straws, aren't you?

You're headline tries to make it seem like his fraud had something to do with his belief in climate change and yet it is totally unrelated. Nice try, though.


Yet, if you read my post, I acknowledge it was for other reasons, and questioned whether it went deeper.

Nice try on your part though.

The title, was from NBC's article, so again, talk to them. Being a leftist news source, I would think they thought that out rather thoroughly.

You alarmists will do anything to try to divert the discussion.


I'm not trying to divert the discussion, just going off the denier posts in this thread. I apologize to you though for labeling you when I knew that it was actually the news article's headline.
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posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: poncho1982

If he lied about working for the CIA to serve his personal greed, who's to say he doesn't lie about his "science" to do the same?



Climate change deniers are really grasping at straws, aren't you?

You're headline tries to make it seem like his fraud had something to do with his belief in climate change and yet it is totally unrelated. Nice try, though.


Yet, if you read my post, I acknowledge it was for other reasons, and questioned whether it went deeper.

Nice try on your part though.

The title, was from NBC's article, so again, talk to them. Being a leftist news source, I would think they thought that out rather thoroughly.

You alarmists will do anything to try to divert the discussion.


I'm not trying to divert the discussion, just going off the denier posts in this thread. I apologize to you though for labeling you when I knew that it was actually the news article's headline.


Thank You.

THAT folks, is civility in action.

Much respect.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: jrod

no wearing blinders to the rampant fraud perpetuated to support the current paradigms is just plain STUPID...

Jaden



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: jrod
This person being a scumbag fraud has NOTHING to do with human induced climate change.

To say this incident somehow makes one lose faith in the scientific community is just plain STUPID!!!


Did I say it was this one guy? No.

I've been losing faith in them for a LONG time.

And it has everything to do with anthropomorphic climate change. Considering that's what he did for a living! Let's not overlook that inconvenient fact.

"The EPA’s highest-paid employee and a leading expert on climate change" first line of the article.

It's even worse that he worked for the EPA.

Just another liar paid by the corrupt government to promote an agenda that hurts the people of America.



posted on Aug, 20 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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And...man-made climate change is a theory, not a fact. If it is not a fact, then it is an opinion. It doesn't matter how many believe it...that would make it a religion. So...lets review. Climate change is NOT a fact. If and when it becomes a fact, then let me know. Until then, it is nothing more than some more bullcrap from our government.




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