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originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Astyanax
My own view is that Jesus was simply appointing a leader among his disciples, someone they could turn to for advice and decisions when their master had left the scene. He wasn't mandating the future Bishops of Rome to exert authority over the whole Christian community or act as arbiters of Scripture and doctrine.
If your view is correct the why was James the Just (Jacob) chosen by Jesus to be the Nasi of the first Christian Synagogue? The gospel of Thomas declares that Jesus chose James before His death to lead His Church. This first church was entirely Hebrew and Aramaic liturgy and Greek and Latin were forbidden to influence the congregation.
Gospel of Thomas
12. The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?"
Jesus said to them, "No matter where you are you are to go to James the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."
James was the President, High Priest, Nasi for over thirty years with John being second and Peter being third in rank of the congregation.
originally posted by: bally001
With due repect. Please explain why we all still suffer if the almighty is a kind loving god
This life is a preparation for the next...
Fire on the Altar MP3
Maybe you’ve never thought about it that much, but one of the main reasons you were placed on this planet was to be tested by God...
HOW CAN I FIND GOD?
"Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy ... Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter ... therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator." (1 Peter 4:12)
Notice in the first verse that the Lord is specifically targeting our faith when He allows trials to come our way. He really hammers home this point when He says that our faith in Him is even more precious than any of the gold of this earth. He then makes an extreme statement when He says that this faith will then be "tested by fire."
Having your personal faith levels in the Lord tested by fire is not something most people want to hear or talk about in this current day and age. ...many pastors have decided not to talk or teach about this topic because it is so uncomfortable to talk about...
God is not causing all of these bad things to happen, thereby causing this kind of horrible suffering. Since the Bible tells us that there is no darkness in God, there is no way He could cause some of these bad and horrible things to occur.
These bad and horrible things are all occurring because of the Adamic curse that is still in operation on this earth. And until that curse is fully and finally removed when we get the New Heaven and New Earth, a certain amount of physical, mental and emotional suffering will not only be a part of this world and life, but it will also be a part of our individual and personal walks with the Lord.
This is why every single Christian needs the knowledge, revelation and understanding on this entire part of the walk with our Lord - so they can properly handle this type of adversity and suffering when it does come their way.
WHY PEOPLE GO THROUGH TRIALS
“God has tried to get through to us…. We have been a big disappointment to God because we have just consistently refused to listen to God.”
“As a pastor, people say ‘why does God allow this [evil]…. That question is predicated on a false assumption. God doesn’t want any of these things to happen. It’s all against God’s will. It’s our perverse nature, our sinful nature that allows these things to happen, that causes these things to happen. If we were following God’s will they wouldn’t be happening.
So we tend to ascribe to God all of the bad things that happen, and take responsibility for the good things that happen, when in reality it’s just the opposite.
God wants us to live in harmony with one another and in harmony with the creation. And the conflict and suffering we are experiencing in this world is of a human origin, not originated by God.
When Jesus came into the world it was a great opportunity for the whole world to find a new way of living and interacting with one another. And we all have failed.
And I would lay the greatest responsibility upon Christianity itself…. They were the ones that were given the clear transmission of what God’s desire was.
God is unhappy with humankind, unhappy with the way the world is going, unhappy with the way God’s beautiful creation is being treated. And God is intervening in a very direct way in the world today. And God and the angels are about trying to promote a spiritual awakening.”
Francis Chan - Suffering
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originally posted by: booyakasha
peter is the Jew Peter. Jupiter. The rock. Jesus is the Sun. The giver of life, the light of the world, Gods only SUN.
All the characters in the bible are literary symbols of stars, planets, and constellations.
TextYou forgot to say congregation in Jerusalem, not the congregation in Rome.
The Gospel of Thomas is not canonical. The position I articulated is that of most established branches of Christian belief. Freelancers who like to invent their own religion and call it Christianity may have other views. As an unbelieving but knowledgeable observer, I do not regard American born-again cults and idiosyncratic personal belief systems as Christianity.
originally posted by: Seede
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Yet this was also adapted closer to the model of Jesus’ ministry, in which the three leaders, Peter, James, son of Zebedee, and his brother, John were part of the Twelve. In the Nazarene Congregation, the “pillars” as Paul called them, were Peter, James (Jacob) the brother of Jesus, and John.
The political structure of the newly organized Nazarene Ecclesia the:
1.Apostle James (Jacob) the Just became the High Priest (Nasi), who is presented in Acts of the Apostles as a “wise interpreter of scriptures who presides over the Council and gives his rulings” (Schonfield, Hugh Joseph, The Pentecost Revolution, The Story of the Jesus Party in Israel, AD 36-66, Macdonald and Janes’s, St. Giles, 49/50 Poland Street, London, W.I., 1974, p 146)
2. The Apostle John became the Deputy (Sagan) as from his priestly background he could deal with doctrine and congregational organization issues and
3.The Apostle Peter became the Chief Officer of the Religious Court (Ab Beth-Din), or the general supervisor, the chief propagandist or evangelist (fame at Pentecost) and pastoral director.
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We do not need the Gospel of Thomas to verify the Jesus movement during the first thirty three years of its history and we do not need literature canonized by the Romans to establish truths. The Romans were the very ones who established their Christianjity by murder and theft. These are they that established their canon and should be the very ones called Freelancers.
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Seede
Eusebius was a tool for the empire. He did some shady things at Nicea at his Emporers request.
The human heirarchy is not a part of the true ecclesia. There is one high priest. Not another man. James, at least as told by Eusebius would be an antichrist just as all the other clergy are. We need no mediators. We need no high priests. That is part of the judaising, old wineskins, old ways, worldly, dead man religion. Aka the institutional church, at that time Rome, but now the majority of Christendom follows the empire model of church aka the circus (same root word!), this church is the whore of Babylon. Or the unfaithful daughter/bride of Ezekiel 16. Spreading her legs to other men like high priests and pastors and bishops.
originally posted by: Seede
The political structure of the newly organized Nazarene Ecclesia the:
1.Apostle James (Jacob) the Just became the High Priest (Nasi), who is presented in Acts of the Apostles as a “wise interpreter of scriptures who presides over the Council and gives his rulings” (Schonfield, Hugh Joseph, The Pentecost Revolution, The Story of the Jesus Party in Israel, AD 36-66, Macdonald and Janes’s, St. Giles, 49/50 Poland Street, London, W.I., 1974, p 146)
2. The Apostle John became the Deputy (Sagan) as from his priestly background he could deal with doctrine and congregational organization issues and
3.The Apostle Peter became the Chief Officer of the Religious Court (Ab Beth-Din), or the general supervisor, the chief propagandist or evangelist (fame at Pentecost) and pastoral director.
The human heirarchy is not a part of the true ecclesia. There is one high priest. Not another man. James, at least as told by Eusebius would be an antichrist just as all the other clergy are. We need no mediators. We need no high priests. That is part of the judaising, old wineskins, old ways, worldly, dead man religion. Aka the institutional church, at that time Rome, but now the majority of Christendom follows the empire model of church aka the circus (same root word!), this church is the whore of Babylon. Or the unfaithful daughter/bride of Ezekiel 16. Spreading her legs to other men like high priests and pastors and bishops.
It is very clear where your religious beliefs were born.
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Seede
Eusebius was a tool for the empire. He did some shady things at Nicea at his Emporers request.
The human heirarchy is not a part of the true ecclesia.
now the majority of Christendom follows the empire model of church aka the circus (same root word!), this church is the whore of Babylon. Or the unfaithful daughter/bride of Ezekiel 16. Spreading her legs to other men like high priests and pastors and bishops.
In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the universal Church, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which, therefore, perform their duties in his name and with his authority for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors.
CHRISTUS DOMINUS, 9
A cultist Nazarene eglesia eh? What a load of BS. All of these people were married with children, and they drank plenty of wine. Only Saul Paulus is known to have been a Nazarean during this time (as well as John the Baptist, but he were already dead for a long time), and Paul's vows seems to have been related to countering and to infiltrate and disrupt (see Acts 21:17ff) early Christendom on behalf of these priests, which he must have succeeded with, apparently by abolishing the central concepts within Torah among the Christians, so the Sanhedrin releases him from his vows and duties towards the end of Acts, together with four other Nazarean monks.