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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: zardust
I agree with you here, Jesus was speaking of the revelation aspect as the rock of the the church, but I think there is a reason that Jesus referred to Peter by name and it may have been to point out the dichotomy of Peter (who is traditionally seen as a founder of the church) and the true church. It's almost like he was saying "you are 'petros' but 'petra' is the true rock of my church".
κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος, καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, καὶ πύλαι Ἅιδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς.
ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ Σίμων Πέτρος εἶπεν Σὺ εἶ ὁ Χριστὸς ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ τοῦ ζῶντος.
Matthew 7:9 Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
ἢ τίς ἐστιν ἐξ ὑμῶν ἄνθρωπος, ὃν αἰτήσει ὁ υἱὸς αὐτοῦ ἄρτον, μὴ λίθον ἐπιδώσει αὐτῷ;
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Send [Gr «Apostelo» in LXX; compare Eng. «Apostle»] the lamb [Gr. «Herpeta» in LXX; i.e. «Reptiles»] to the ruler of the land, from Sela [«Petra» in LXX], by way of the desert, to the mount of the daughter of Zion. [ESV] Isaiah 16:1
If you cannot live in balance on earth as a human, then you arent a human.
The masculine/feminine thing is interesting. The church is considered to be the bride of Christ, it is feminine, yet the church is overwhelmingly run by males. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
If you look at the fact that a feminine institution is run largely by males, it gives a whole new meaning to "homosexuality" being a sin. The body and bride of Christ should be a female dominated institution, not male dominated.
My own view is that Jesus was simply appointing a leader among his disciples, someone they could turn to for advice and decisions when their master had left the scene. He wasn't mandating the future Bishops of Rome to exert authority over the whole Christian community or act as arbiters of Scripture and doctrine.