Biggest Gay Lobby Group in America Urges Schools to Ban Words ‘Boy’ and ‘Girl’

a reply to: markosity1973

Right, and I mentioned earlier that when I was in school (Georgia, United States, 70s-80s) we were often grouped together by the first letter of our last name (helped us learn our letters, LOL). I seem to remember something about color groupings in kindergarten, and space travel vehicles (this would have been 71-72) just a few years after the first moon landings, so some of us were "Rockets" and some were "Rovers" and some were "Landing Modules" etc.)

My point was and is that we have been grouping kids in "non-gendered ways" for some time. These suggestions that are were brought up as some kind of "Gay Communist Enforcement Camp" activity are just reflections of old ideas. There's nothing even particularly new here ... animals, colors, shapes ... so what?

In the US "sports days" are usually once a year activities, and boys and girls participate equally as far as I know.

Yeah, there are differences between the genders different strengths ... upper body strength for boys, lower body strength for girls, sprint speed for boys, endurance tests for girls ... you seem to be implying that boys would beat girls every time in any event.

That would not be my experience. Also, such changes don't really become apparent until nearer to puberty.

Again, though, you're talking in ABSOLUTES and EXTREME. I see nothing, not one suggestion, not one line in the HRC recommendations that would require that we abandon the concepts of boys and girls completely. Nothing.

THAT, as I said, is the only insanity I see here. This ... way-over-the-top reaction to things that aren't being said (though were prompted, I'll admit, by the presentation of "comments" from the right-wing rag that misquoted, mis-characterized and misrepresented the actual article from the HRC.) I'm referring to the site "What Really Happened" here. (ETA)

As far as political leanings, I heard a lot of the typical right-wing rhetoric that claims that any acts that try for greater equality and inclusion (of which this current topic is a very minor and simple example) are really the minority attempting to seize control over the majority, or the few ruling the many, or other such nonsense statements.

Beg pardon if my characterization of the source of what you were saying was unfair to you.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Lol yeah I have recently seen an upsurge in the most graphically detailed superlatives to argue against something in specific threads.

I think Sado-masochistsic fits perfectly into that to be honest.

a reply to: Gryphon66

As far as political leanings, I heard a lot of the typical right-wing rhetoric that claims that any acts that try for greater equality and inclusion (of which this current topic is a very minor and simple example) are really the minority attempting to seize control over the majority, or the few ruling the many, or other such nonsense statements.

You cannot ignore that some of the very same people who insist on a full spectrum of gender identities on Facebook (50 now?) are wanting teachers not to use "boy" and "girl" because they are too divisive.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

As far as political leanings, I heard a lot of the typical right-wing rhetoric that claims that any acts that try for greater equality and inclusion (of which this current topic is a very minor and simple example) are really the minority attempting to seize control over the majority, or the few ruling the many, or other such nonsense statements.

You cannot ignore that some of the very same people who insist on a full spectrum of gender identities on Facebook (50 now?) are wanting teachers not to use "boy" and "girl" because they are too divisive.

No one is saying don't use boy/girl.

They're saying there are alternatives that can also be incorporated.

a reply to: Annee

Which is fine. When and if somebody signs their child up for school who would like to be identified as something else, that's a discussion that can be had for that individual child. As for the rest of the kids, I think boys and girls work just fine, it's not accusatory.... It's just what they are.

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: Annee

Which is fine. When and if somebody signs their child up for school who would like to be identified as something else, that's a discussion that can be had for that individual child. As for the rest of the kids, I think boys and girls work just fine, it's not accusatory.... It's just what they are.

Right.

Let's single that individual child out.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

As far as political leanings, I heard a lot of the typical right-wing rhetoric that claims that any acts that try for greater equality and inclusion (of which this current topic is a very minor and simple example) are really the minority attempting to seize control over the majority, or the few ruling the many, or other such nonsense statements.

You cannot ignore that some of the very same people who insist on a full spectrum of gender identities on Facebook (50 now?) are wanting teachers not to use "boy" and "girl" because they are too divisive.

Yes, I can certainly can ignore your utterly biased opinions! You're equating apples, oranges, carrots and parsnips, all in one sentence.

No one has said that the terms "boy" and "girl" SHOULD not be used. That take-away from what the HRC offers is just ... silly.

For those who want to acknowledge REALITY and accept that while male and female are distinct biological terms, not every human being is 100% one or the other as so many here keep chanting. That's simplistic, archaic, backward and utterly mistaken.

It sounds good as a rhetorical device, but it's simply not true. And THAT fact is not socialistic, communistic, liberal or any of the other by-words that right wingers try to hang on it.

What does 50 genders on Facebook have to do with you? Isn't the motto of libertarian/right wingers supposed to be live and let live?

Let folks describe themselves as they wish and stop trying to enforce YOUR values on THEM. Stop trying to tell teachers and other parents how to conduct their business.

Simple, really.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I guess terrorism fear-mongering isn't enough these days?

Got to dig communism back up?

Ludicrous.

Communism is alive and well... It doesn't need any digging...

What's ludicrous are the claims that it has been buried...

This administration has been taking steps from the socialist, the fascist, and even communist playlist; and it all starts with school. So future generations of Americans see these very leftist polices as "something normal".

From mandatory community service for primary and secondary students, to "emphasis" on gender reversal as well as emphasising the collective more than the individual. These are radical leftist teachings. Gender is part of a person's individuality. What is going to be next? since it doesn't matter that they are "boys and girls" they should all share bathrooms?

a reply to: Annee

The facts, as we well know, don't matter.

We're going to type our fingers down to nubs saying "but the article doesn't say that ... "

originally posted by: Annee

Right.

Let's single that individual child out.

What about all cultures that do have an emphasis on gender? and don't teach these "gender reversal" policies that socialists want to implement?... We should just do away with entire cultures, which also are part of people's personalities?...

in case you didn't know in the U.S. there are millions of people from different cultures, and many of these cultures do put emphasis on gender because it is part of the individual.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yes, there are Communist countries in the world.

But McCarthy-era fear-mongering about hidden Communists in America is just bull.

We're a mixed economy and have been, arguably, for all of our history, but certainly for the last 85 years or so. You can cry about "socialism" all you want, but you would not be the person you are today without socialistic aspects in our economies.

Learn the historical and political differences between fascism, socialism and communism and your comments on the matter will sound a bit less... ignorant.

Fascism is not leftest. Totalitarianism is not leftist. The Obama Administration is neither.

What "very leftist policies" are you even talking about? Are you gesturing toward the article we're discussing?

You're mistaken. That's not a "leftist" policy, except that it speaks to individual rights and identity.

And whether you like it or not, left, right, and all degrees of the political middle are here to stay.

Community service has been a standard in America since our earliest history. You're mistaken.

What "gender reversal" are you referring to? Be specific.

American society is and has been a balance between the individual and the group, between the personal and the "collective."

These are not "radical leftist" teachings, they're AMERICAN teachings.

Gender is a part of a person's identity INDEED! You finally got one right.

They share bathrooms at home don't they? Do wingers have separate bathrooms in their houses for "boys and girls"?

What is the horror you folks have with shared bathrooms? Are you really that ... prudish?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Annee

Right.

Let's single that individual child out.

What about all cultures that do have an emphasis on gender? and don't teach these "gender reversal" policies that socialists want to implement?... We should just do away with entire cultures, which also are part of people's personalities?...

in case you didn't know in the U.S. there are millions of people from different cultures, and many of these cultures do put emphasis on gender because it is part of the individual.

I went to school in the 50s. Gender roles firmly in place.

I've been "watching" the social awareness in public schools for a long time. They do evolve, fortunately.

Did you know, no matter what country/culture a child is from it has to be included in the class curriculum.

Who's teaching gender reversals? I'm not even sure what you mean by that.

Like religion, if your culture is so strong that public school might be offensive ---- find a private school.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

They can't control you if they can't identify/label you.

When the tatoo behind the proposed endowment's traditional
embellishment describes "Full serving to this line" ...trust me
it's a label. But it's also obviously a sign we're outa control here.

I went through most of this thread hoping to find as few stars
as possible on a later post--- maybe for the first time one was
removed by staff. God another one, stomp that please Tread.
My last digression (this post) is how easily we've accepted the
characterization of our earthly shells based on maybe standard
usage of it by those foisting the arbitrary nomenclatures on us.

"What do you do?"
"I was once a tool maker... and worked a lot punching holes,
trimming and bending thin metal into useful products.
But lately I'm a little despondent; since having retired from
the trade I feel more like some refuse or left over, punched-
out and useless junk left behind to rust in this big rattling
pan of society."
"Cool. You just called yourself a slug." She ambled away blithely.

She was much younger than me, but somehow more tactful.
I also bit back the urge to describe her with an expletive
describing only a small percentage of her person. And it may
not be at all what area(s) you think... may the heavens fall.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Annee

The facts, as we well know, don't matter.

We're going to type our fingers down to nubs saying "but the article doesn't say that ... "

This subject is so simplistic. A little diversity.

The extremism is ridiculous. What are these people afraid of?

This brings to mind the "purple penguins" politically correct insanity sweeping elementary schools.

Calling kids "purple penguins" just in case one of them grows up to be transsexual and is scarred for life at being called a boy or a girl.

It's political correctness run amok and needs to stop.

It also brings to mind the ridiculousness of "non gender specific gingerbread people" instead of calling them "gingerbread men" like they've been for DECADES.

originally posted by: babybunnies
This brings to mind the "purple penguins" politically correct insanity sweeping elementary schools.

Calling kids "purple penguins" just in case one of them grows up to be transsexual and is scarred for life at being called a boy or a girl.

It's political correctness run amok and needs to stop.

It also brings to mind the ridiculousness of "non gender specific gingerbread people" instead of calling them "gingerbread men" like they've been for DECADES.

You do know that was a HOAX, right?

a reply to: babybunnies

It's not "political correctness" for gods sake! No one is "correcting" one thing to another.

You can't just write off everything you don't like into that phrase.

This is not something NEW, there is no "forbidding" of using the words boy and girl ... the ONLY thing going on is a little consideration for the differences that some people have. It's not taking away anything.

The only thing ridiculous here is the rabid overreactions on the part of right-wingers.

originally posted by: babybunnies
This brings to mind the "purple penguins" politically correct insanity sweeping elementary schools.

Calling kids "purple penguins" just in case one of them grows up to be transsexual and is scarred for life at being called a boy or a girl.

So you would rather some children grow up scarred for life. Got it. I believe a guy named Madison had something to say about the "tyranny of the majority".

PS: one does not "grow up to be transsexual". Being transgender is a medical condition which occurs before birth.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
...
But McCarthy-era fear-mongering about hidden Communists in America is just bull.

Riiight... It's not like communist spies who have defected to the west, like Anatoliy Golitsyn and Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, have never spoken about these same "changes" that would be brought to the west by use of propaganda from socialist and even communist sources...






It's not like there have been even Americans who became spies for communists like the castros. Like the retired U.S. State Department officer Kendall Meyers who was caught alongside his wife working as spies for the castro regime.

There are plenty more such cases, including teachers, other people working in government and other in jobs such as "media". Of course, who knows how many more there are out there that haven't been caught and are working in government, or in media, or even actors as we speak... But hey... "communist spies?... it's all made up"...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
We're a mixed economy and have been, arguably, for all of our history, but certainly for the last 85 years or so. You can cry about "socialism" all you want, but you would not be the person you are today without socialistic aspects in our economies.

lol... really? tell me, what "socialistic aspect" do I owe my life to?... i want to read this...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Learn the historical and political differences between fascism, socialism and communism and your comments on the matter will sound a bit less... ignorant.

I know them pretty well, they have differences but they are all leftist... History will repeat itself again because there are many people, such as yourself, that simply don't want to accept the facts. Hitler and Mussolini didn't simply claim to be socialists, they implemented socialists programs. They only made a few changes to their socialistic policies.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Totalitarianism is not leftist.

Oh wait...are you one of those people who claims that every communist country that has ever existed was "never communist"?...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
What "very leftist policies" are you even talking about? Are you gesturing toward the article we're discussing?

You're mistaken. That's not a "leftist" policy, except that it speaks to individual rights and identity.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Community service has been a standard in America since our earliest history. You're mistaken.

Not when it is mandatory... It hasn't been an American "standard" until democrats made it so.

a reply to: JadeStar

That Madison guy wore pantyhose and a wig too, so...