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Islamic Armageddon prophecies and how easy they are to reproduce

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posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 08:35 PM
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I assume that many who frequent the Conspiracies in Religion forum are familiar with the Biblical "Endtimes" prophecies in Revelations and how comedically easy they are to reproduce IRL by those in power in order to give the impression of "see?! the Book of Revelations is coming true!". But I'm not sure how many people have stuck their nose into the Endtimes prophecies written in the Koran. I recently did and it became painstakingly obvious that what with current world events, they'll be easy as pie to engineer into real-world incidents in order to shock & awe the hoi polloi.

Much like Judeo-Christian eschatology, Islamic eschatology is concerned with the coming of a "false prophet", referred to as "ad-Dajjal", and a "new prophet" referred to as the "Mahdi". This ties into all them conspiracy theories as to how the Loominarty will prop up a charismatic false prophet to lead astray the nations. Aside from purely supernatural or fantasy-inspired events such as Gog and Magog (more plausible is you interpret them as allegory rather than as scary giants causing trouble) and frankly pie-in-the-sky theories (the Sun rising in the west, I don't see that realistically happening aside from a pole shift occurring), the final signs of Islapocalypse will be perfectly feasible via socio-political engineering. Here they are and how plausible they may be:


"Muslims shall fight against a nation wearing shoes made of hair and faces like hammered shields, with red complexion and small eyes."
>This I personally view as the least realistic, unless said ruddy people could perhaps be a metaphor for certain Asians who wore shoes made out of animal hair during pre-modern times (Mongols?). I take it with a grain of salt unless one takes liberties and interprets it as ISIL fighting against the Chinese, and they don't exactly have red complexion.

"The emergence of the Sufyani within the Syria region."
>More charismatic figures emerging in various regions of Derkaderkastan. Some would say it's al-Assad, nothing monumental.

"The truce and joint Christian-Muslim campaign against a common enemy (at the conclusion of which all war technology shall become unusable) followed by al-Malhama al-Kubra a non-Muslim vs. Muslim war."
>The joint forces of eternal degeneracy, Islam and Judeo-Christianity, band together to fight "the Satanic New World Order". The cyborg supersoldiers of the NWO decimate their enemies via electromagnetic pulse-based weaponry, rendering electronic circuits useless. The Muslims and the Judeo-Christians proceed to play the blame game against one another, and get involved in fisticuffs like since times immemorial.

"Black Standard will come from Khorasan, nothing shall turn them back until they are planted in Jerusalem."
>The Black Standard refers to the black flag of war, originally flown by the prophet Muhammad, and currently flown by ISIL. Khorasan is north of Persia (Iran). They will march on Jerusalem and conquer it; the Jews are not a warrior race and never will be (note how they obediently marched off into Hitler's camps without putting up any sort of fight), and the United States may very well abandon Israel to fend for itself at that point in order to facilitate the Islamic prophecies.

"Mecca will be attacked and the Kaaba will be destroyed."
>Nuclear bomb dropped on Mecca, easy-peasy.

"A pleasant breeze will blow from the south that shall cause all believers to die peacefully."
>And their souls were carried off to paradise by Valkyries while we're at it, supernatural feel-good stuff.

"Quran will be forgotten and no one will recall its verses. All Islamic knowledge will be lost to the extent where people will not say "La Illaha Ila Allah" (There is no god, but Allah), but instead old people will babble without understanding "Allah, Allah"."
>The NWO will have accomplished its mission of weaning the sandpeople off their religious drug, Mecca is a radioactive wasteland and Islam is on its deathbed like Zoroastrianism/Arabic Polytheism/Hellenion/Odinism all were at one point.

"People will fornicate in the streets 'like donkeys."
>Muslims' eternal habit of adding fap material to their holy texts, as to display their covert obsession with sexual matters. You can't have a good apocalyptic prophecy without some porn to look forward to.

"The first trumpet blow will be sounded by Israfil, and all that is in heavens and earth will be stunned and die except what God wills, silence envelops everything for forty (an undetermined period of time)"
>The typical "Good" prevails in the end tripe. For the Judeo-Christians, Jesus comes back and there's a big party; for the Muslims, Allah kills all the filthy infidels, because they bloody deserve it. Then the aliens come and we all live happily ever after.


So aside from the passages which are clearly tied to the realm of the supernatural/magical, all the events described above can be very easily reproduced by the powers that be, so that aside from astounding the Bible-believers with cleverly-orchestrated events that bring Revelations to mind (the false prophet, etc.), they can also astound the Koran-believers with the illusion that yes, the Koranic prophecies are indeed coming true and it is the end of days. Thoughts?
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posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Demonarch

I would love to have an Islamic Scholar in this thread. Much of this I have never heard of before.

Below (autoplay them all as they are broken down into 10 min increments) is a seminar on the matter.

Walid Shoebat: Prophecy of Islam END of Days
www.youtube.com...
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posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 02:02 AM
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No offense, but that's not in the Qur'an. I don't even know where you got most of this stuff. And I'm a Muslim, my dad's an Imam, and the rest of my family are Muslims. So I'd take most of that with a grain of salt. But for kicks & giggles, can you explain where each of these supposed things came from? As in, "Prophecy Description #1" came from "Blah blah source page 44". Then we can actually discuss this.

As for the Dajjal & Mahdi, those aren't in the Qur'an, either. The early scholars & adherents adopted the stories from the "Sefer Zerubbabel" (Apocalypse of Zerubbabel) & other Judeo-Christian sources. But the Qur'an says that the Day of Judgement's time has been set, that no human knows when it's coming, and that there's nothing we can do to hasten nor delay it. I'm too lazy to go find the exact passages, but that's what google's for


As for Gog & Magog, no one knows who or what they are because not enough information is given of them in the Qur'an. So people, scholars, and religious figures have speculated for more than 1,000+ years. But it's all speculation.



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 02:10 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

I don't even know where you got most of this stuff.
My guess would be here:
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 02:18 AM
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a reply to: Demonarch


If you are going to quote things from the quran and other sources , please provide links . I see many errors here, you are innovating scripture much like extremist do . forming your own "idea" or Interpretation . I sens humor in your work though .

I have to correct you on something .




Black Standard will come from Khorasan, nothing shall turn them back until they are planted in Jerusalem."
>The Black Standard refers to the black flag of war, originally flown by the prophet Muhammad, and currently flown by ISIL


This is incorrect . Every hadith pertaining to this "black flag" being flown by Muhammad are weak in narration and cannot be excepted as part of the sunna . In other words they are fabrications.



This is a prime example of how Religion becoming infected with ideas that pave the way for differing sects etc . This is how it has worked throughout all religions.

Interesting thought you have though .


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posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 02:20 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

No worries i am here( not a scholar but a student of knowledge in Islamic studies , also I am Muslim ) , Most of what the Op has posted is misinterpretation and innovation ( ideas about scripture ).

I find humor in his work though ..



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posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 02:30 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I don't even know where you got most of this stuff.
My guess would be here:
en.wikipedia.org...

Even that link has the following:


The Qur'an describes the Last Judgment, with a number of interpretations of its verses. There are specific aspects:
1. The time is known only to Allah.[14]
2. Muhammad cannot bring it forward.[15]
3. Those who have been dead will believe that a short time has passed between birth and death.[16] Nothing will remain except Allah.[17]
4. God will resurrect all, even if they have turned to stone or iron.[18]
5. Those that have accepted false deities will suffer in the afterlife.[19]

If something isn't in the Qur'an, it's hearsay. In Islam, nothing overrides the Qur'an. The Hadith & Sunna aren't even agreed upon, which is why there are so many different versions & interpretations of them. And like I said, the Dajjal & Mahdi aren't in the Qur'an, much less these other supposed prophecies.

But the OP says this in his first paragraph:


But I'm not sure how many people have stuck their nose into the Endtimes prophecies written in the Koran.

Hence my response.



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 02:32 AM
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But the OP says this in his first paragraph:
Apparently he didn't read most of the wiki article.



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 02:51 AM
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Just to clarify, each denomination (& school of thought within each denomination) is different. They follow specific Hadith & Sunna, their own scholars' interpretations of scripture, and their own rulings (fatwas are recommendations). They also add their own cultural, regional, and/or tribal traditions. This is why there are so many different forms of "Sharia Law".

This is also why different translations/"interpretations" of the Qur'an can seem so different. Because different schools of thought will add explanations into the Qur'an's text that "prove" their interpretation is correct. Usually these editor's notes are added in parentheses or at the bottom of the page, though not always.

I'm saying this so you understand that each denomination of Islam is different, just as with any other religion. I have no interest in arguing semantic differences between denominations. There are certainly denominations that believe in the Dajjal, Madhi, 2nd Coming, and more. However, the OP stated that these were written in the Qur'an, which is false. So I wanted to make sure people know that all of these "armageddon prophecies" are pure speculation & hearsay among some denominations, not the word of God Himself (aka the Qur'an).



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 02:57 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant
So, there is no equivalent to the book of Revelations from the Old Testament in the Qur'an?

Of course, there is no shortage of variations of interpretations to those verses within Christianity.



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: enlightenedservant
So, there is no equivalent to the book of Revelations from the Old Testament in the Qur'an?

Of course, there is no shortage of variations of interpretations to those verses within Christianity.



Nope. In fact, the Qur'an isn't actually divided by "chapters" or "books" at all. It's divided into 114 Surahs, which are literally different revelations from God. The shortest ones are only a few sentences long while the longest ones are like a chapter in a length. The Qur'an was revealed over roughly a 23 year time period, too. EDIT: Here's a website w/5 translations/interpretations of the Qur'an, so you can see for yourself. Quran.com

This is especially important when you think about it. The Qur'an was revealed over a time period of more than 2 decades. But God never chose to mention any of the things mentioned in the OP (among other things). And the Prophet Muhammad & the first 9 Caliphs forbade teaching anything other than the Qur'an. The 1st Caliph is said to have written down 500 of the Prophet's personal sayings then burned them the next day after reflecting on it. And another of the early Caliphs had everyone gather the other teachings they'd written down, throw them in a pile, and then burned them.

It wasn't until the 10th Caliph that people started writing down Hadith & Sunna, and even then it was in secret (technically the Caliphate had become segmented by then but that's another story). This was roughly 70 years after the Prophet had died. The most commonly accepted collection today are by a man named Bukhari (Muhammad al-Bukhari), and these were collected more than 100 years after that! (Yes, it was more than 200yrs after the Prophet died.)

Of course, different denominations still teach different things now. Just like how some Christian denominations teach of Limbo, Purgatory, the Rapture, acceptance of Christ as your savior lets you ignore everything else, etc. But I'm just pointing out why you & everyone else should take these "prophecies" with a grain of salt.
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posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 04:01 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

I take it all with a grain of salt. No offense intended.

I am completely ignorant when it comes to Islam and again, no offense intended, are you at all familiar with Brigham Young's story? It seems there may be certain "borrowings."



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 04:16 AM
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Oh, no offense taken. I hope my words didn't seem like I was being harsh or anything. Though I'll let you know this now, there are a fair share of other Muslims who would consider me a heretic. Then again, most denominations consider believers not of their denomination to be false, to an extent. Meh. To each her/his own.

I don't know much about Brigham Young except him leading the Mormons, Utah, and BYU (the university). I can't remember which early Mormon taught that the Holy Land was actually in the MidWest and that the Biblical Flood sent those people across the world to what we consider the Middle East, today. It might be smith that I'm thinking of though.



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 04:29 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Just to clarify, each denomination (& school of thought within each denomination) is different. They follow specific Hadith & Sunna, their own scholars' interpretations of scripture, and their own rulings (fatwas are recommendations). They also add their own cultural, regional, and/or tribal traditions. This is why there are so many different forms of "Sharia Law".

This is also why different translations/"interpretations" of the Qur'an can seem so different. Because different schools of thought will add explanations into the Qur'an's text that "prove" their interpretation is correct. Usually these editor's notes are added in parentheses or at the bottom of the page, though not always.

I'm saying this so you understand that each denomination of Islam is different, just as with any other religion. I have no interest in arguing semantic differences between denominations. There are certainly denominations that believe in the Dajjal, Madhi, 2nd Coming, and more. However, the OP stated that these were written in the Qur'an, which is false. So I wanted to make sure people know that all of these "armageddon prophecies" are pure speculation & hearsay among some denominations, not the word of God Himself (aka the Qur'an).


You and I follow differing schools of thought . but I do agree with you here 100% and for this reason its important to (for me at least ) to follow the true form of Islam . some call it fundamental some call it salafiyyah ( salafi and salafiyyah are different) and others will call it wahabi. What ever the case may be i try to stay away from anything that teaches other than the quran and sunna. I only take knowlege from thoes who are most qualified to give it. But i don't follow any scholar blindly
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It is really bothersome to me that culture traditions have been woven into Islam. Maybe some day the Umma will be one . Insha Allah



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 04:32 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I take it all with a grain of salt. No offense intended.

I am completely ignorant when it comes to Islam and again, no offense intended, are you at all familiar with Brigham Young's story? It seems there may be certain "borrowings."


I am. I used to be mormon prior to me converting to Islam .I was raised mormon really And somewhere along the line I became related to Mr.Young, we share the same last name .
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posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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Hello.

The main things I think the Ummah needs are tolerance & patience. People have to stop being narrow minded & thinking their way is the only way. As long as people submit to God, the rest shouldn't matter. Because that will be between them & God. That's one of the biggest points in Hajj; so that Muslims from all over the world can see that we come in all different shapes, sizes and skin tones, with different clothing styles, hair styles, languages, diets, etc. We're supposed to be seeing just how diverse God's Creations are, not condemning His Creations because they aren't identical to ourselves.

And even people who aren't believers today may have experiences which make them become believers tomorrow. But if we're intolerant of them, judgmental of them, or condescending towards them, it can just push them away. That kind of defeats the purpose in us spreading the word.



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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Interesting topic but i think it it mixed, without saying which source is valid or not, you should better to make it on segment of the event.

For example, a big war and gog magog. Big war that can united people regardless their religion ( some believe it has to do with the real mission of the messiah, to save humand kind from greater dangerous rather than just believe or moral standard )
And the come out of gog magog, something that really strong and hard to defeat even in the future. Creatures that can still exist after thousand years been blocked.

And then peacefull era, where the knowledge is gone doesnt meant there is no book or Quran, people just dont understand and get it ( mean extremely not believe it )

And then the end of the time. It will be not just earth but all universe. It said in Quran that the universe is expanding. Some scholar think armagedon will happened when it stop expanding and start contracting hence the interpretation of folding a page in a book.

I think it will be easier to read if you put it at least in 3 different group of times.



posted on Aug, 18 2015 @ 09:35 PM
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Highly interesting how it comes to light that these "doomsday" passages weren't even in the Koran at all and thus considered apocryphal, goes to show you how so-and-so can add to a religion's scripture at his leisure and many will take it at face value. And that brings me to my point that if X number of people do take it face value, it'll be all the more simple to impress them if you can replicate those apocryphal prophecies IRL.



posted on Sep, 2 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: Demonarch
and frankly pie-in-the-sky theories (the Sun rising in the west, I don't see that realistically happening aside from a pole shift occurring),


Do a search for comet West, in the Year of Punk 1976, the Sun could be seen rising in [front of] the [comet] West, it was the brightest comet for a century. All the damn signs have happened, even the one when a man would give birth, happened a couple years ago. And the Arabic Spring and Syria? It's all in motion. Symphony. All the religious leaders agree, the end is not only nigh— it's here!

Revelation too. Two witnesses, Twin Towers, Daesh is Satan, princess in distress, the Yezidis, replica of Solomon's Temple built in Brazil. What remains, when the final SHTF is the Temple sacrifices to recommence and the seven vials are over and done with in a day, and the Sun rises for a new round of vials, and the closest light descendant of our heavenly bastard ascends in all glory, with every flying thing in the armies of God fill the sky again, and the seven vials and the daily sacrifice starts anew.



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