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Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption Church: Televangelists

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posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

A vast majority of the televangelist supporters are elderly and or chronically ill. Many supporters are on fixed incomes and are unable to travel to a local church. Many financial supporters of these ministries are without hope.

Painting them as stupid is not accurate or fair.




posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Klassified

So are all people that give, idiots and mouth-breathing morons?

Or are they doing what they can with what they have, promoting and affirming their own individual beliefs?



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko


My, my putting so many words in my mouth! I think you need to stop telling me who you think I am because you clearly don't know. It is self-evident that you only pay attention to sound bites at best or have some reading comprehension issues at worst or simply make it all up to suit what you would prefer to believe.

I also don't think you know what Luciferian means. After all, I actually agree with you on one thing and you still can't even accept that much.


Go after the ball, not the player.

ket, if I don't understand you, then it is on you to clarify for me. I have no 'reading comprehension issues'.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: mOjOm

A vast majority of the televangelist supporters are elderly and or chronically ill. Many supporters are on fixed incomes and are unable to travel to a local church. Many financial supporters of these ministries are without hope.

Painting them as stupid is not accurate or fair.


This simply isn't true in my experience. In the many years I spent as a Christian, and in leadership. I knew just as many young and middle-aged people who supported these "ministries", as I did older and sickly people. I won't argue however, there are many elderly and sick people who send their money to these bastards.
edit on 8/17/2015 by Klassified because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: mOjOm

A vast majority of the televangelist supporters are elderly and or chronically ill. Many supporters are on fixed incomes and are unable to travel to a local church. Many financial supporters of these ministries are without hope.

Painting them as stupid is not accurate or fair.



This is true. I was speaking about the competent people who should still know better. The elderly who are looking for hope or in desperation I tend to block out because the idea of them getting ripped off by these lying A-Holes almost brings me to violence. Preying on the most desperate or weak or those in search of hope and willing to give what they don't have to some con man with a silver tongue is the lowest thing imaginable to me.

I don't believe in Hell, but there are times I wish I did just so I could curse those predators to it. Ripping off the helpless who are in search of some form of grace to ease their minds and/or bodies makes me sick. Only the worst of humanity and the lowest most broken sociopath could do something like that and they should rot in a special place for it, not be rewarded for it.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Klassified

So are all people that give, idiots and mouth-breathing morons?

Or are they doing what they can with what they have, promoting and affirming their own individual beliefs?

Absolutely not. The bigger issue lies with those deceiving the public. I don't think anyone is ignoring other areas where this same thing happens, Beez. Hell, the IRS is worse than all of them combined, but this thread happens to be about televangelists, and does raise a genuine issue.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

People prey on the desparate all the time.

I remember one snake-peddler that was going to bring "hope and change" and the gullable and naive bought it.





posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: Klassified

I should have added "in my experience."

And my comment was also directed towards the 'healing' genre of televangelists.

The 'prosperity' genre has many wealthy, successful contributors.

My aunt had cancer for many years and was a devoted watcher of 'benny' and others of his ilk. It left a very bad taste in my mouth.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Amen to that!






posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Klassified

So are all people that give, idiots and mouth-breathing morons?

Or are they doing what they can with what they have, promoting and affirming their own individual beliefs?

Absolutely not. The bigger issue lies with those deceiving the public. I don't think anyone is ignoring other areas where this same thing happens, Beez. Hell, the IRS is worse than all of them combined, but this thread happens to be about televangelists, and does raise a genuine issue.


You can't talk about it in a vacuum, though.

You have to put it in perspective.

Are they scum?
Yes.
Is Sally Struthers scum?
Yes.

I could go on, ad nauseum but to just focus on religion is somewhat disengenuous.

I know you guys don't like religion.

I get that.

But you all give so many other things a "pass" because you support it, that it causes irritating assholes like me to jump into the thread.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: beezzer


But you all give so many other things a "pass" because you support it, that it causes irritating assholes like me to jump into the thread.

Let's pretend, beez, that you jumped into the thread because the topic was of significance.
Cool?

Okay -
What are "we all" giving a 'pass', please?



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: beezzer


But you all give so many other things a "pass" because you support it, that it causes irritating assholes like me to jump into the thread.

Let's pretend, beez, that you jumped into the thread because the topic was of significance.
Cool?

Okay -
What are "we all" giving a 'pass', please?


What do you support and give to again?

It doesn't matter. You give because you believe in the cause, correct?

How are they any different?



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: beezzer
I don't think that's true in my case Beez. You've seen me blast the gubmint and others many times for these same things, among others. And when that's the topic, I don't bring religion into it unless it actually applies.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: beezzer
I don't think that's true in my case Beez. You've seen me blast the gubmint and others many times for these same things, among others. And when that's the topic, I don't bring religion into it unless it actually applies.



We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I see this as another opportunity to insult religion.


It's just as bad as insulting all of Islam by the actions of a few. And isn't that defended by some of the same posters here?

But Christianity "in toto" gets the slam here.

Just my opinion.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your point/question.

I give to the things I believe in, yes. So - this thread is about televangelist deception and exploitation...


It doesn't matter. You give because you believe in the cause, correct?

Correct.


How are they any different?


How are they any different? Really??

They are different because animals ARE being beaten and starving....and a typhoon DID hit Haiti.....and wildlife IS disappearing....and people in Africa ARE starving.......

where the "Bible God Prosperity Gospel" is totally irrelevant to anything going on in this world (except, of course, the preachers (who are getting rich) and the gullible believers (who are hiding under their couches waiting to be 'raptured').

It's ridiculous. It's no different than telemarketers, or door-to-door salesmen, or used-car-sharks.

Yet, millions of citizens fall for that stuff EVERY DAY.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: mOjOm

People prey on the desparate all the time.

I remember one snake-peddler that was going to bring "hope and change" and the gullable and naive bought it.




Well, I don't rank politicians too much higher than televangelists anyway. But there are still some major differences between the two.

TV Preachers know full well they are selling nothing but lies and perverting what is meant to lessons which lift man up and show him a better way of living. This whole "God rewards with Wealth" nonsense is such an obvious scam you can taste the stench of it through the television. At least politicians sometimes do good things for people and do make the right choices. Plus, it's one thing to try and operate against opposing ideals and people and still get things done right. It's something else when what you do is willing and knowing sell lies and promise truths you know you don't have to people who are in need of some human kindness.

Like the new Jim Baker 2.0. A free man again and what is he doing now??? On TV again this time selling survival foods at super inflated prices as he preaches doom porn about death and pain and destruction right around the corner. So not only is he taking money from those seeking hope, he's making sure to destroy any hope for those that still may have some left to keep them going. While his new wife sells her line of crappy worthless natural healing remedies. Just in case anyone was going to spend there money on sound medical treatments for their aging bodies, she's there to make sure they send it to the Baker Fund for Lying Snakes instead.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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People give to obtain peace.

Maybe they couldn't get it any other way. Maybe they think that they receive blessings.

They get peace-of-mind.


Hell, if I could obtain peace-of-mind by giving some asshole on tv a few bucks, I would.

If there wasn't such a need for salvation and peace-of-mind, then these people would be out of business.

They are fullfilling a need.

Ugly as it is, they are filling a niche.

And as long as people are buying, there will be those that are selling.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

I see this as another opportunity to insult religion.


It's just as bad as insulting all of Islam by the actions of a few. And isn't that defended by some of the same posters here?

But Christianity "in toto" gets the slam here.

Just my opinion.


I don't think it insults religion at all. These people don't represent any religion I know of other than Self-Gratification or Hedonism. I suppose you might say they are modern day Satanists in that Today's Satanists are also Hedonists who believe in living lives of maximum pleasure for themselves. I wouldn't doubt if many of these people personally consider themselves Modern Day Satanists too actually. But use the Christian platform and lies to serve themselves. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that some would take such a path since it would serve them perfectly in that respect.

Exposing these people for the liars they are I don't think insults Christianity at all even if you're pro-christian. Just the opposite, it's these people who are a stain on any good and valid and respectable parts of Christianity.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: beezzer


They get peace-of-mind.


Hell, if I could obtain peace-of-mind by giving some asshole on tv a few bucks, I would.

If there wasn't such a need for salvation and peace-of-mind, then these people would be out of business.

They are fullfilling a need.

Ugly as it is, they are filling a niche.

Yes, they are.
So, what is the solution to solve the problem that is these gullible souls giving money to con-men?

To expose them as con-men.

But ---- they call themselves Christians, and claim some divine 'channelling' thing!!!!

...and they are LYING.

The answer - the solution - is EDUCATION.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
People give to obtain peace.


I thought about that and it's why I said earlier I'm still on the fence as to who's to blame. The sellers of the buyers.

As far as them obtaining peace. I have yet to see that actually happen. I see them paying for peace. I see them paying and praying and hoping for a glimmer of something to ease themselves and yet I've never known anyone to have actually obtained any of it and stop having to pay for it.

Those who stop paying either run out of money and die, or get fed up with the scam.

Like the lady on the show that paid thousands into this BS as her hope of fighting cancer. Now, I understand if she didn't want medical treatment for it as it's pretty bad in it's own right too. But why not give that money to someone else in need or to cancer treatment for someone else or even give it to her own daughter who was there for her throughout the whole thing??? These people prey on people using their "Faith" against them to fill their own pockets. They steal from their victims, prey on the weak, destroy them and their families and society around them and then flaunt it on TV with their Big Flashy (and really tacky) gold chairs, velvet and gold churches, 65 million dollar jets, diamond watches, etc. All the while getting taxed nothing on their houses, jets, churches, etc. All they do is take and take and take like black holes never giving anything back. They are the worst of humanity.



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