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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80

And how do we accomplish that without strong social programs


We don't. We accomplish that with ONE social program.... Communism. That's right, say it with me folks.....

C ... O ... M ... M ... U ... N ... I ... S ... M

Its the biggest fear of every millionaire in the country, and that's the reason we're required to read Orwell up in the third grade... so that it becomes our biggest fear as well.

We need to start talking about our own brand of Communism and erase the stigma that Stalin, Mao, and Marx have attached to it.

We need to get away from our dependence on job creation and implement a system who's goal is job elimination. Its the closest we'll ever get to true freedom.




posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Asktheanimals

No one's done more harm to coal miners than the coal mining industry especially in Appalachia and all over China. Instead of having people excavate and dig down into the earth and build the tracks and pic for coal... they just blow off mountain tops and use huge machines to excavate the coal out now.

Yes the entire world needs to be grateful for coal has done for us and especially to the miners unions, though they weren't the only unions, for giving us worker rights... but things change, coal is outdated and doing more harm than good. Many wonderful things and notions have fallen by the way side as we progress.


And how do you propose to buy a car in the future if there is no coal industry?

Steel doesn't make itself...coal is needed. So if you can find a way to make steel without coal, be our guest. While we are at it, shut down the steel plants also and put those workers out. Then you put construction workers who make large buildings out of a job. Roads...nope, back to dirt.

What is your solution?

Nuclear? Well, we need coal to power nuclear plants. How interesting is that? But you can't make steel with nuclear.

Neither can you build large hospitals for sick people without steel. And how do you propose getting people to the hospitals quickly on dirt roads? See, the interstate system would collapse, the inner city streets would no longer be necessary and then we would look like a third world country. But hey, maybe you would like to live Amish. See, that's what we would all be without coal.

Maybe we then could build everything from wood, including your refrigerator and then have enough wood to power the electric company so you could be on the internet.

But too bad that so many people do not live near a hydroelectric dam. That TVA could only stretch so far.

They go to work because you need them to. At least you could say thank you to them, maybe once?



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: WarminIndy

Problem, that wasn't the question.

The question is which party has been fighting unions for decades.

One which you have dodged every time.
It is not about you in anyway, you are the only one making that the case.

Good for the repubs that fought for unions back in the day, but that hasn't been the case in a while.
At least at the establishment level.

All it is now is that we need to get rid of the unions because they are corrupt, which is true.
Which is why the corruption needs to be dealt with not getting rid of them as a whole.


You tell us whether they were Blue Dog Democrats or Rhinos.

I didn't dodge, because the simple answer is that you don't seem to know that it was both sides. But who made the most money off people? Doesn't take a genius.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

I'm going to star you because I think you are serious.
But I can never tell lol.




We need to get away from our dependence on job creation and implement a system who's goal is job elimination.


Because of statements like this.
I know in the sense of pure communism that would be the goal, but think it is something we could change about it.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

Ah so it was all the RINO's doing it.

Would you say it was DINO's doing it on the other side then?

When it comes to establishment, yes both sides are guilty.

How do you think tea partiers and 'libertarians' on the right think about them?



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Bone75

I'm going to star you because I think you are serious.
But I can never tell lol.




We need to get away from our dependence on job creation and implement a system who's goal is job elimination.


Because of statements like this.
I know in the sense of pure communism that would be the goal, but think it is something we could change about it.


We need to eliminate jobs?

OK, so who is going to be growing the food? Do we import all of it?

See, then we would be benefiting off the blood, sweat and tears of the rest of the world trying to feed our big, lazy population.

I'm not sure you were serious in the response. Job elimination, that's what losers who live in their mom's basement and play on the internet all day already have, while the pizza guy is delivering the food.

Yes, wonderful system. So you both go naked because no one makes your clothes? Tell us all how that would work for people in Minnesota.




edit on 8/16/2015 by WarminIndy because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: WarminIndy

Ah so it was all the RINO's doing it.

Would you say it was DINO's doing it on the other side then?

When it comes to establishment, yes both sides are guilty.

How do you think tea partiers and 'libertarians' on the right think about them?


I'm not either side, but what I do see is both sides blaming the other without taking credit for the failures which are greater than the successes.

I have said that both sides are doing it.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

They're still excavating all the mountains they destroyed. They don't need the man power right now. And either way it's time for coal to start phasing out. Like Aloysius said, in NZ they seem to understand when something has run it's course, they do their best to adapt until it's time to close up shop and then they do... Booms can't last forever and of course it's sad when an economy busts but maybe it's time to learn to not depend on booms when they happen.
edit on 8/16/2015 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Asktheanimals

They're still excavating all the mountains they destroyed. They don't need the man power right now. And either way it's time for coal to start phasing out. Like Aloysius said, in NZ they seem to understand when something has run it's course, they do their best to adapt until it's time to close up shop and then they do... Booms can't last forever and of course it's sad when an economy busts.


May I ask, how big is New Zealand compared to the US?

Like I asked, are you willing to go back to third world status on your dirt roads and wood buildings, hoping the electricity comes back on or using whale oil to light your lamps?



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

Did you miss the part where I said I didn't want to eliminate jobs?

It is clearly in the post you quoted.
I said I was against that part and would be something I would want changed.

I want a democratic socialist gov, not a pure communist one.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Which of the two main political parties in this country has supported the Union movement for the greatest period of time?



The one that gave the union chiefs massive power and money in exchange for the guaranteed monetary and vote support of those cheifs' slaves...er, members, of course.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

"Phasing out"



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: WarminIndy

Did you miss the part where I said I didn't want to eliminate jobs?

It is clearly in the post you quoted.
I said I was against that part and would be something I would want changed.

I want a democratic socialist gov, not a pure communist one.


You already have one, didn't you know that already.

From the first social program instituted by the Federal government and accepted by the people made this that very thing, and yet still, people are making a lot of money in it.

Did you know this, when Patrick Henry was approached to sign a bill for relief of people who were in a flood, he was reminded of his constituents that the federal government was not designed for that, and yet the people accepted federal programs, making this a democratic socialist country.

Let's compare Communism with another historical American institution, slavery.

Now slavery was a business enterprise, with a CEO at the top. This CEO networked with other CEOs because their main products of exportation was cotton, tobacco and rice. So what they did was take away rights of their workers, even to the point of not even calling them humans, simply as individual properties. However, they did allow them to live in free homes also gave them food.

Now, this networking was democratic, because the people who owned these businesses were all in agreement that slavery was a good economic investment, until the cotton gin. Now, at the same time, poor whites of Irish/Scots/British/German in the section of the country experiencing an economic boom, until the cotton gin, were not able to find employment. Therefore they had to leave for parts unknown, they had to immigrate to the north.

This business venture was still generally accepted among the democracy of the south, because they were all for it, even some northern states were in agreement, so it was democratic.

The point is, the slaves were not given a fair wage, were not given civil rights and were not given freedom of where they could live, their democracy business model stated that they had to live where the company boss said they had to live, in a democracy.

Now, fast forward to Russia, Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, and others, the people did not have the right or freedom of speech or press. Much like slaves did not either. And they were given homes freely to live in, well in most cases, but the point is they were assigned jobs according to the state need and talents of the individual.

Didn't work out so well, did it? But slavery here was 200 years in a democracy of people who followed socialistic ideas on the plantation. You would be given a free home, but there ain't no way one will ever go jobless, because they would be doing those things they don't want to do, without the freedom to say no, while the money earned will be spread out among everyone, in such small amounts because there's no way anyone would want to buy products made by the blood, sweat and tears from any worker, except those in China and Bangladesh, which the usual democracy minded individuals are ok to accept.

So there you go, democracy and slavery, which is Communism. Now, go to the government and tell them you are ready to be assigned to your job and get your free home, but you probably wouldn't enjoy it because they will probably put five more families in with you.

That's Communism in a nutshell, slavery.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: WarminIndy

"Phasing out"


And phase out which part of your life that you benefit from?



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

None.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy

We need to eliminate jobs?

Yes we do. We can eliminate about 50,000,000 jobs right now by scrapping the financial institution and everything that supports it.


OK, so who is going to be growing the food? Do we import all of it?

No. We localize food production through modern technology. Have you been to Epcot lately? There are some amazing things going on there.
Check this out


Yes, wonderful system. So you both go naked because no one makes your clothes? Tell us all how that would work for people in Minnesota.

Everyone would still have to work, just not nearly as much or nearly as hard. We could gradually eliminate jobs through automation. The retirement age would get lower and lower, the work week would get shorter and shorter, and eventually we wouldn't have to work at all.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 06:20 PM
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Sides are a false dichotomy.

The Fed crashed the economy in 1929 the same way they crashed it in 2006. The Fed kept prices "stable" in stead of letting increased productivity reduce the price of everything over time.
In the name of "price stability"

the Fed printed cheap money

which increased the price of everything

which kept loan rates low

which encouraged investments that were high risk

which allowed the stock market to inflate beyond its real value

which caused the crash.

Both sides were and are good with that.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 07:10 PM
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I only have one question:

Which of the two main political parties in this country has supported Planned Parenthood, even though Margaret Sanger spoke to the KKK and had this to say;




"I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan…I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses…I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak…In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.” -Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, P.366



Must have been a good talk to garner more invitations from similar groups. I hear she was also into Eugenics...Hey who else was a big fan of that, I think his last name began with an H maybe?



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 10:09 PM
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Agreed. a reply to: randyvs



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 01:40 AM
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Whose side am I on? I suppose I'm on the side of the generations not yet born. Since this thread is about coal mining lets discuss coal energy. It has the highest death print per tWH of any known form of electricity, the pollution from it (with clean coal) is so dirty, you can harvest uranium for nuclear weapons out of the topsoil downwind of it. The coal ash is so toxic it guarantees cancer on contact, and it gets dumped into rivers, that people can then no longer use. The miners themselves don't fare much better as coal mining is one of the most dangerous jobs, and diseases like black lung are real killers.

The worst part about coal, is that we have an alternative. Geothermal can match coals energy production in the US, it's clean, it's proven technology, and it's cheap... cheaper than coal even.

Coal should fade away.



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