Latest FOX Poll: Hillary Down 2 Points, Bernie Up 8 Points

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This brings Bernie up to 30% nationally which is a huge leap for two weeks and with a majority of voters still not knowing who he is. MSM is starting to give him coverage. My optimism increases.

I wonder what the other polls are going to churn out.

a reply to: Kali74

The DNC is so screwed if they don't want Bernie to be the nominee. They have nothing to use against him. The attack ads are going to fall flat cause he has no scandals, a great voting record.

Basically they'll have to argue that he's 'too liberal' for the nomination, which is a horrible route to take.

~Tenth

a reply to: Kali74

I'm surprised Bernie is doing so well. I thought him being a "socialist" would be a turn-off to most people because of the propaganda they have been fed, but it appears many people are not afraid of them scary socialists.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Kali74

I'm surprised Bernie is doing so well. I thought him being a "socialist" would be a turn-off to most people because of the propaganda they have been fed, but it appears many people are not afraid of them scary socialists.

More than enough people have realized that socialism is built into the very fabric of America.

Schools are socialist, medicare and medicaid or socialist, the military is socialist etc.

It makes no sense why people are so afraid of hybrid systems, obviously pure capitalism doesn't work.

~Tenth

Anyone that knows the facts of our (and every other major world) economy knows that what we have are "mixed" economies that incorporate capitalism, socialism, laissez-faire and government regulation.

Only extremists see everything merely in black and white.

I'm more surprised by Hillary's staying power given what she is facing right now. Sure I loved the 90s too and they were a great time for me but Hillary is not Bill and the 90s being great probably didn't have much to do with Bill anyway.

a reply to: Kali74

I'm just surprised you're quoting a Fox Poll.

lolz

But go Bernie.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Well said.

Imagine the things we could do if we could find the perfect balance between capitalism and socialism.

I've been abstaining from saying that I would vote for Bernie because I don't feel he is socialist enough for my liking, but I suppose he would be a good start towards that balance.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Capitalism funds socialism. Surely protecting the income source should be the priority. The benefits of a strong and successful capitalist system are great but they can only be funded by a strong economy.

originally posted by: TonySarc
a reply to: tothetenthpower

Capitalism funds socialism. Surely protecting the income source should be the priority. The benefits of a strong and successful capitalist system are great but they can only be funded by a strong economy.

And since most of the US economy is pinned to Socialist things, like the military spending and what not, you can see where that can be a problem right?

Another issue, that Mike Hubackbee actually stated and was right about is that social programs are funded by people who collect a paycheck. That number is declining all the time. Wealthy people don't get a pay paycheck, all their wealth is in capital gains and stocks etc.

We need to develop a system where those are also taxable and help pay for social services. Otherwise it is the rich stealing from the poor.

a reply to: introvert

You have to remove the totalitarian aspect of socialism for it to make sense, and humans cannot divorce themselves from wanting power over others.

That's why I like Bernie, cause he says a lot of socialist type things, but I don't feel like he's going for the power grab.

Which is why the republic was a wonderful idea in principle, until we decided to allow non persons to control it.

~Tenth

a reply to: tothetenthpower

The DNC sold Democrats out a long time ago. Essentially both party's are 'owned' by the same types of people, same banks, some of the same corporations, different billionaires. Economically we only have one party, The Wall Street and DoD party. The DNC doesn't care how popular Bernie becomes because they want Hillary.

Hillary will keep the money flowing, Bernie while he may not be able to stop the money flowing will use his office to continually point it out and talk to America about why it's wrong and how it takes our power away. As POTUS he would give America an education on Oligarchy. That could vastly change the way America votes for a long, long time.

To be honest I think the DNC would rather lose the election than have Bernie win the nomination.

a reply to: introvert

Occupy wasn't the failure people think it was

a reply to: beezzer

Because it's not conducted by FOX but contracted out and comparatively not less scientific or accurate than any other poll.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I prefer upfront taxes to debt unless there is a genuine crisis or war to deal with. In that area I believe we can find agreement. The overall economy however should be weighed more heavily towards wealth creation than spending created wealth because if not you get diminishing returns. The percentage of the economy allocated to government spending should never be to the degree that it significantly curtails future growth.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I think the main issue is such socialist things with the exception of the military should not be left to a big faceless federal government but instead local governments.

I have to agree.

A big faceless federal bureaucratic machine = waste, inefficiency and corruption.
Hell look at the disaster the EU has become!

The man in capital hill has no idea what a village in Nebraska needs. A office in DC full of faceless bureaucrats has no idea what the local schools or policing needs are the other side of the country ect.

Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland are successful because they have populations under 10 million.

What needs to happen is social programs should be under control of States and country's with certain standards set by the federal government but management funding not controlled by them but by the local government instead.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Kali74

I'm surprised Bernie is doing so well. I thought him being a "socialist" would be a turn-off to most people because of the propaganda they have been fed, but it appears many people are not afraid of them scary socialists.

I think most of the Bernie supporters are Democrat.

Democrats usually don't speak out against Socialism do they?

But maybe all the recent favorable press has helped.

Hillary is helping too !!



Go Bernie !!

a reply to: TonySarc

The overall economy however should be weighed more heavily towards wealth creation than spending created wealth because if not you get diminishing returns.

Agreed, but I don't think that the Government has a hand in doing that, other than making sure the environment people play in is fair for all.

I would prefer a flat tax, or a consumption tax instead of any kind of income tax or tax deduction loop holes etc.

~Tenth

a reply to: crazyewok

I think the main issue is such socialist things with the exception of the military should not be left to a big faceless federal government but instead local governments.

Exactly, we have to de-centralize government. The government should have 3 basic functions and nothing more:

1.Safeguard the country from enemies
2.Operate and fund social services (transport, healthcare education)
3.Arbitrate disputes between states/provinces/cities in cases where it merits it. This may sound broad, but I'm talking policy that implicates the entire nation.

Everything else, should be left up to individuals living together. Vote with your U-Haul as I like to put it.

~Tenth

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Actually... taxpayer funded shouldn't be confused with Socialism and get's even more nuanced than that. Bernie isn't a Socialist he's a Democratic Socialist which is Capitalism that heavily leashes Corporations, banks etc... with strong social programs. Basically it's disallowing banks and financiers to gamble with the economy, it's taxing them at a higher rate along with ensuring they aren't allowed to offshore profits. Accomplishing this will begin paying down our debt, taxing the middle class less, funding infrastructure and education which will in turn create jobs and cause more money to flow in our economy.

Socialism is completely different.