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Bernie Sanders shows his true colors.

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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

Of course Binny would disagree with Sanders and that's because Sanders criticized him on the Gaza conflict of 2014. I spelt it all out very clearly in the post you're responding to. But Sanders isn't anti Israel as you're trying to portray. Basically, you're lying and it's because, at best, you're completely uninformed.

Typical though, disagree with the Israeli gov't and you're anti Israel, or anti Semitic.




posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: ~Lucidity

Actually we pay all the road taxes no matter what system is in play. The trucking industry, hired by those corporations, pay a heavy tax for highway use.

Ultimately irrelevant, however, as all those taxes, high or low are carried on to the consumer, thee and me. PERIOD.

Yes, you are correct, that's how a society works. Promising 'free university' is how left wing politicians also work....and it is a lie...



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Swills

I see your post as spin, sorry.

My point was, and remains, Sanders dissed Netanyahu's speech and his taking the offer from Boehner. Netanyahu, as Israel's elected leader, sees Iran as a threat against Israel. It's his job to promote Israel's interests. ( the resulting election, despite a 20% Muslim-Israeli vote against him, won by a landslide. Therefore he obviously represents the prevailing view of Israel).

He validated Obama for the "Iron Dome" defense system, was balanced in his praise of the U.S.'s support and basically had no real choice in accepting the offer to address Congress....unless he was willing to snub his Republican supporters, that is.

Sorry, not an option...


Yet, Sanders dumped on him. I said NOTHING about his support or lack thereof for Israel then or in the past.

Merely his dump on Netti. it was the a political move on his part and I sneer at it.

He lost any credibility with me at that point...well before he announced his running for the Presidency. That's my view of it. Don't like it? Too bad.


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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 04:44 PM
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It's his job to promote Israel's interests. ( the resulting election, despite a 20% Muslim-Israeli vote against him, won by a landslide. Therefore he obviously represents the prevailing view of Israel).


In his country, not in ours.

That speech should have never happened, it was a tool to promote his reelection and to stick his nose in our business.

It is entirely an opinion that he had no choice but to accept. He easily could have denied it.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Well said.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Really? You actually think that Netanyahu had the option to refuse Boehner's invitation??? I find that beyond naïve.

Even discounting the political implications one does not turn down the honor of addressing a Joint Session of Congress without consequence down the road.

Off the top, I'd say Obama would have used that as an excuse to really slam Israel. His antipathy is without question and any support given to Israel was to avoid even further diatribe from the right.

No. Not realistic at all. Of course, I'm no political insider, just a dumb-ass truck driver....



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker




Really? You actually think that Netanyahu had the option to refuse Boehner's invitation??? I find that beyond naïve.


Yes...
It is naive to think he didn't. No one forced him to take the invitation.

The issue was more that it was so close to his reelection date.
He used it as a damn campaign event and that is not right, he has no business doing that in our gov.
Also him trying to influence our congress when he has no buisness doing so. What is good for us does not have to be good for Israel


Even discounting the political implications one does not turn down the honor of addressing a Joint Session of Congress without consequence down the road.


What consequence?
Obama used him coming as an opportunity to slam him, hence him giving old bennie the cold shoulder while he was here because he didn't agree with him doing it. And openly speaking out against his visit.

So benny didn't avoid anything there.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

My post is spin? What are you talking about? My post is nothing but the facts and observations. Binny had no choice but to address Congress? Really? They held a gun to his head? You think any Republicans would have looked down on him had he declined?

Just so happens Binny is invited during his election season, which could only help him, but the real reason he went to address Congress without Obama's support is because he was there to take support away from Obama's Iranian nuclear deal. How do you like that, a foreign leader flying to your country to rip apart your leader's diplomacy plan? Imagine if Obama addressed Israel's Knesset trying to take support away from Binny and his warmongering views. I would actually love to see that.

Of course you won't acknowledge that because your spin here is trying to convince us Binny had no choice but to fly to America and address Congress... No one believes that.

Binny is a warmongering hawk, everyone knows this and he's been on a warpath with Iran for decades now. He always claims the same damn thing, Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon (CIRCA 1996). Problem is, he's a liar and even his own Mossad disagree with him (CIA included).

Sander's, and everyone else in America, has every right to "dump" on Binny, especially after he dumped on Obama (and I'm not a Obama supporter). But you crossed the line when you said Sander's was catering to the anti Israel crowd. Only a liar or an ignorant person would assume Sanders is criticizing Binny to appease such a crowd.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Yes. Spin. Period.

You call him a warmongering hawk. That is Bull. If he was, Iran would be glass. Palestine totally in Israel's control with zero anyone could do about it.

The only political entity in the world that backs Israel without reservation is the right wing of the U.S. of A.. Under a sitting President who already placed a travel ban to Israel and arms Isis. Yah right.

Give Obama an excuse? Really.

OK. I got it. You views on Netanyahu is clear. You aren't changing my mind nor me you. Nothing changes.

The Damn Saudis did more to undermine Obama's capitulation/deal with Iran by stating THEY would build nuclear reactors and likely nuke up. But, no, it's Israel that's 'undermining' Obama.

Spin, nothing but and pretty weak.

But this is off-topic... Sanders screwed up.



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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

Just because you continue to accuse me of spin doesn't make it true. You, on the other hand, continue to spin fiction into facts. Do you think it's a secret Netanyahu is a warmongering hawk? For you to say it is BS continues to show us how you want to spin fiction into fact. In fact, the good old right wing of the USofA are mostly warhawks. So what are you talking about?

My views are crystal clear and so are yours. Obama put a temporary travel ban because a rocket may have hit the Israeli airport during the Gaza conflict? What a jackass for trying to protect people.

Sanders screwed up because he criticized Netanyahu? Guess in your America our leaders aren't allowed to criticize foreign leaders eh? Better bow down and kiss the earth he walks on huh?

So you won't be voting for Sanders, big whoopidydoo! Who do you supoprt? Trump? Paul?
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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Your right. Obama's people used the 'fear of rockets' etc. as their reasoning.

First, no such ban travelling to 'Palestine', was there? Then who is the aggressor? HMMM?? Not the Israeli's.

Second, with the Missile defense system that Israel has the chances of hitting a plane is next to non-existent. My take? Garbage!

Next, let's see the current crowd running Egypt seems to get along with Israel just fine. No problems, no turf violations...all's well between the two.

What's next? Ah, Saudi Arabia and Israel are working together on military and intelligence issues against Isil.

Yep, Netanyahu is a warmongering hawk....right

Last point I will make on this then I'm done with it. The term is Rhetoric. Words. There is a huge difference between words and actions. One of purposes of war-like rhetoric, besides convincing the local population that there's more of a problem than there really is, is convincing the potential advisory that you are FULLY willing to use force to defend themselves.

Without which, as is the current case with the U.S., your power is considered null and void if the perception is there is no will, political or otherwise to use that power.

Netanyahu has achieved that level of credibility, both by internal communication and the speech in D.C..

Notice how quite things have been of late....? No missile flying recently is there?

More than one way to achieve peace....



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Swills

I see your post as spin, sorry.

My point was, and remains, Sanders dissed Netanyahu's speech and his taking the offer from Boehner. Netanyahu, as Israel's elected leader, sees Iran as a threat against Israel. It's his job to promote Israel's interests. ( the resulting election, despite a 20% Muslim-Israeli vote against him, won by a landslide. Therefore he obviously represents the prevailing view of Israel).

He validated Obama for the "Iron Dome" defense system, was balanced in his praise of the U.S.'s support and basically had no real choice in accepting the offer to address Congress....unless he was willing to snub his Republican supporters, that is.

Sorry, not an option...


Yet, Sanders dumped on him. I said NOTHING about his support or lack thereof for Israel then or in the past.

Merely his dump on Netti. it was the a political move on his part and I sneer at it.

He lost any credibility with me at that point...well before he announced his running for the Presidency. That's my view of it. Don't like it? Too bad.



Need a wet wipe?

With all that Israeli butt kissing i think you got some crap on your nose!

You seem to forget that in 2016 tge election is for president of the USA NOT Israel!

Maybe you should consider immigrating to Isreal? You seem to be obsessed with them!



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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Not really sure why so many Americans find an outright socialist appealing....except that current Occupier has conditioned people to accept it. The thing with socialism is it can sound really good on paper and in theory, but the practice of it is downright devastating. Just ask the old Soviet Union and all the people who stood in long lines to get some piece of bread and a piece of meat. Did I mention it was separate lines for each thing? Econ 101 centralized planning is not capable of dealing with the real needs of business and of people and not capable of a balanced supply and demand, no matter how pretty they make it sound.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 11:06 PM
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The Soviets were not socialists. They were barely even Communists. They were totalitarians that used communism as an excuse. Well, after Lenin, anyway.

Spreading Cold War era propaganda is nothing more than fear mongering.

We, and most modern national economies, have mixed economies ... ergo we have both capitalistic and socialistic elements.

And have had for a long time, in fact, I'd wager, for the entire lives of anyone reading this.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Seems like your doing the crying....LOL.

Actually, the point was Sanders, not Israel or Netanyahu.

He falls back on the age old freebie mentality to buy votes which places him in the same company as the rest of the left.

Attempts to place him above the other candidates is specious. He's a socialist, a Democrat and acts with no real difference from the last one to the next one.

It was at his comment about Netanyahu that I was sure. The free university bit was icing on the cake for me.

Just how I see it....



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Gryphon, I have said many times on this site that Marx and Lenin both said that socialism is but a bridge to communism, so while there are some minor differences, one is simply more extreme than the other. Can you figure out which is the more extreme? And yes, socialism involves centralized planning, and that is what failed in the Soviet Union. In both communism and socialism there is redistribution of wealth. You know the whole Marxian thing of from each according to his ability to each according to his need... that is what so many are calling justice, but where is the justice in me working 10 hours for 10 bucks an hour and having the governemt make me pay for Sandra Flukes contraception just because the government arbitrarily thinks I should...it is not justice, but so many people believe the lie, and it IS the LIE of the Serpent.
Cold War propaganda? Can I just guffaw at that.... what is the difference between socialism then and socialism today? I say the only difference is that the Soviets learned and the silly geese here in the states think they can do it better.
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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: crazyewok

Seems like your doing the crying....LOL.

Actually, the point was Sanders, not Israel or Netanyahu.

He falls back on the age old freebie mentality to buy votes which places him in the same company as the rest of the left.

Attempts to place him above the other candidates is specious. He's a socialist, a Democrat and acts with no real difference from the last one to the next one.

It was at his comment about Netanyahu that I was sure. The free university bit was icing on the cake for me.

Just how I see it....



Well i already agree with you on the free university as I have stated.

In a country a big as the USA, free university at a world leading standard is not possible.

But Sanders has not revealed anything. He has always stated he is a socialist. Its nothing new there.


Your the one that brought up Isreal not me. Again you seem obsessed with them......


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posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

I disagree here, offering free educations at public universities makes complete since, if you wish to be competitive in this global market, and the tax revenue collected in the lives of these graduate's would more than pay for it. You must invest in the future to see a return, and this would be a huge return on the investment IMO.

A mix of capitalism and socialism can work, but you must have a good capitalism side to cover the cost of socialism, and building the nations infrastructure along with free college education would be the best first steps to improving our economy.

As its the consumer that grows the economy raising the minimum wage also makes since, give the people more spending money will grow the economy much more than any tax break for the wealthy ever did.

I think Bernie is right and I think a growing number of Americans agree and will support Bernie.



posted on Aug, 16 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
free college education would be the best first steps to improving our economy.


How do you provide free education under the model that universities use today? Do we make it like other countries where every student takes tests in 8th grade and that determines whether they go on to advance education or skill trades? To suggest that everyone can pick and choose and the Government foots the bill that in large part is profit for the universities is stupid.



posted on Aug, 17 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: crazyewok

I disagree here, offering free educations at public universities makes complete since, if you wish to be competitive in this global market, and the tax revenue collected in the lives of these graduate's would more than pay for it. You must invest in the future to see a return, and this would be a huge return on the investment IMO.

A mix of capitalism and socialism can work, but you must have a good capitalism side to cover the cost of socialism, and building the nations infrastructure along with free college education would be the best first steps to improving our economy.

As its the consumer that grows the economy raising the minimum wage also makes since, give the people more spending money will grow the economy much more than any tax break for the wealthy ever did.

I think Bernie is right and I think a growing number of Americans agree and will support Bernie.


I dont think you understand how expensive it is to keep a university scientific facilities?
Its not cheap.

Now there should be plenty of free scholarships for the science, medical and engineering degrees.
They are vital for the future economy.

But i will be blunt. 99% of BA degrees are irrelevant for the job market. No one needs a burger flipper who has a BA in Womens politics or a store manager who can deconstruct modern abstract art.
The tax payer should not be funding such bull#. Tax payer money should go on the STEM degrees that will grow the economy and give the skills NEEDED. Let the idiots who pay for the BA degrees help finance the real degrees.

The world does not need more libral art majors, lawyers, philosophers, politic and social majors, art majors and creative writers. In fact its shown time after time art, writing and even buisness cant be "taught" its a skill that comes naturally.

What the world needs is scientists, engineers, mathematicians, architects, doctors, nurses and computer programers .

Those that dont fit into the above should learn a vocational skill or better yet save there money they would waste at university and set a business up rather than spend $50k getting to debt just to drink, have sex and "find" themselves just to come away with a scrap piece of paper a empoyer will ignore , $50k of debt and a long career in miminmum wage jobs cause they wasted there time and money instead of learning a usefull trade skill or setting there own business up.
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