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Chicago Public Schools Announces Hundreds Of Teacher Layoffs, Pending And Pension Cuts

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posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You tell me, I asked the question.

What country in this world, not on Mars, has ever done the philosophy you preach?




posted on Aug, 14 2015 @ 10:48 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: xuenchen

You tell me, I asked the question.

What country in this world, not on Mars, has ever done the philosophy you preach?




I said earlier that successful government is the answer.

Where does that exist?



No.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 12:10 AM
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I just wanted to mention that the unemployment rate is way lower and the pension plans we have for everyone was unsustainable from the start.
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posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 12:52 AM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: xuenchen

I have a better idea. Let the people determine who is laid off, since it is our money.

Because the people will lay off the unnecessary bureaucrats and their office personal and make sure the teachers have work and the supplies they need to educate the students.

The unions should not be more powerful than the taxpayers, but unfortunately that is what they have become.

We don't need teachers unions. We simply need to vote on a minimum wage for our teachers and merit based wages. Eliminate the bureaucrats while promising competitive wages to our teachers.

The tax payer should be the union representatives. Not people who have the power to increase their wages each year while the system continues to degenerate.



Great idea,

Isnt the tax payers the one's that vote in these worthless politicians to begin with?

Tell me again what portion of the population votes? Tell me what makes you think that people that do not give a rats arse about their childrens education are going to vote to make it better for the kids.

Have you ever been to the city and looked at some of these public schools? Have you ever even counted how many of these poor families show up to a Parent Teacher meeting?

Your ideas are fine and dandy in a rainbow unicorn happy world where everyone's belly is full and sipping on slushies, but if parents can't take care of their children and teach them common life expectations and experiences, then how in the hell is a teacher supposed to make them understand algebra and english?

Should the teacher get paid less because they are trying their hardest to teach a classroom of poorly home trained gangster thugs what 2x-3 means? Are they working or trying any less than a posh neighbirhood teacher who's students already have a jumpstart on life skills because their parents actually care for their education?

I realize that not all poor people dont care, and I also realize that not all wealthy eople are smart, but the statistics dont lie.

And quite frankly your method of teacher reimbursement completely ignores the stats.

A teacher ahould not be penalized because her/his students only go to school because the law makes them.

I do not look down upon a worker for trying to make a decent living wage and benefits.

As a union employee myself, I often question if it is not us that make too much, but if it isnt everyone else that doesnt make enough?

People should focus on making a better life for themselves and welcoming folks for doing better, not berate and blame them for trying to do better.




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posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 04:26 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I found a country for you that does not have a government. I was listening to Trump and he said Iraq has no government. I understand that for you no government is a good government. There ya go.
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posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 06:52 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Our school board recently gave our superintendent a new contract.
$125k base salary
$19k insurance allowance
$500 monthly car allowance
3% 401 payment
Standard teacher pension funding, whatever that was...

That kind of contract can't help the situation


What's wrong with that contract?


Someone in the private sector with that deal would be considered an evil rich person who received special treatment at the expense of the mandate of their organization.

They should get minimum wage to set an example.




posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
A republican governor, of course.


Never mind that the city has been run by Democrats since the Great Depression.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

And it is still there with people and everthin'. It just took a cutter to start the killing. These actions will not accomplish the intended consequences. It will only make more unwanted babies, more criminals, they will not die away, the cycle will just continue. Education is the only hope and for many, many, a place of refuge from the killing fields called US streets. Working or poor people cannot afford private education, and all know that so this is attempt of genocide to kill off the poor. There are just as many jewels walking the streets with no hope, as there are in the womb that cutters so love.

GO BERNIE!



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: beezzer

Are you denying that private schools don't do better because they get more money?


I can't speak for beezer but I'll question your narrative. Where do you draw the conclusion that private schools get more money than public? Generally speaking, most private schools tend to have lower tuitions than the public schools in their areas.



Private school tuition is about half that of the average per pupil revenue of public schools. Private school tuition in Michigan averages about $2,500, with significant variation among schools.77 This amount is much less than half of the expenditures of the public school system, which is consistent with the national pattern.78 However, just as the per-pupil expenditure for public schools is a significant underestimate of the government school costs, private school tuition also underestimates private school costs. Most religious schools receive significant contributions from their sponsoring organizations to support their operations. Many also receive volunteer time and services from parents. Furthermore, those same parents often face fees for their children’s participation in extra-curricular activities such as sports, music, and various student clubs.79 Thus, while private school tuition is often half or less than the commonly discussed per-pupil expenditure figure for public schools, actual costs are a larger share. Once all private and taxpayer-funded costs are included for both systems, the ratio of total public school costs to total private school costs is less clear, but is probably about 2:1.


www.mackinac.org...

Of course never mind that private schools also tend to have smaller class sizes (12-18) versus public (20-30) and the parents who are paying for the private schools tend to be much more interactive with their children's education because they are paying for it themselves after property taxes, so they want to make sure they are getting their money's worth.

School vouchers would not turn private schools into public, it would force public schools to start competing and improving themselves against more successful private models.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 07:34 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Teikiatsu

And it is still there with people and everthin'. It just took a cutter to start the killing. These actions will not accomplish the intended consequences. It will only make more unwanted babies, more criminals, they will not die away, the cycle will just continue. Education is the only hope and for many, many, a place of refuge from the killing fields called US streets. Working or poor people cannot afford private education, and all know that so this is attempt of genocide to kill off the poor. There are just as many jewels walking the streets with no hope, as there are in the womb that cutters so love.

GO BERNIE!



Once I filter out all of that I get three things:

1) Quality education is important. If that is what you said, then we agree.
2) You support Bernie Sanders, which shows cognitive dissonance against the liberal/socialist model of low-quality education we have right now in public schools.
3) You mean this 'cutter':



Despite the cuts and layoffs, the district still has a $480 million operating budget gap. Republican governor of Illinois Bruce Rauner has offered to advance $500 million to help fill the gap, dependent on additional CPS “reforms”, including an end to district contributions to teacher pensions. But these funds are by no means guaranteed. Based on the current operating deficit, it is likely additional cuts will be announced. A $676 million pension payment is due this school year.


The cuts are not from the GOP governor but from the Chicago Public School pension system than the Democrats have put in place over the last 80 years or so.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

2) I can vote for whom I want.
3) So the governor admits they have the money. "Just let me slap you around a little bit and I will give it to ya".

If you don't like my colorful language, don't respond to my posts.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 07:56 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Isurrender73

Not easy in Chicago.

Every Precinct is a Democrat voting pocket.





if only they could follow republican governor Brownback of Kansas, and his brilliant leadership....
thinkprogress.org...



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

Before retiring, I taught 9th-12th grade students. It's amazing to me entering 9th grade students couldn't read a ruler, or do 4th grade math! Teaching them fractions and decimals was like teaching them a new language. I had to spend two weeks on fractions and reading the ruler. Some kids still couldn't understand the concept even when I used props, computer games and power points. Reading a ruler is critical to engineering and manufacturing. Yet I would have to spend two weeks on something that should have been taught back in the 4th grade! I'm not exaggerating, all our technical lab instructors at our technical school constantly complained how the majority of our students were inept and lazy.

I remember back when my daughter was only in the 1st or 2nd grade. The new way of teaching how to read was to look at the pictures and the teacher would read the book. The child would eventually connect the words to the pictures and some kind of magic would enable the kid to read! My daughter couldn't even read or identify simple conjunctions! I had to write these on poster board and post it over our kitchen table and practice identifying them and sounding them out! She didn't even know how to sound the letters out!

I've seen a lot of ridiculous new teaching methods over the last 20 years. A lot of them come and go. Now they have common core. Really, the people who make this crap up probably never really had a real job! Why would you teach a kid a more confusing way to solve the same math problem? The work place is built on efficiency not lost time. The old saying " don't re-create the wheel if it's not broken" definitely applies to education.

It's simple, kids can't think in high school because they're not leaning the basics in elementary school. High schools still have to teach basics because most elementary schools don't teach algebra, advanced sciences and technical skills. Colleges are preparing teachers to teach, but these new teachers are not prepared for the kind of disrespect, apathetic behavior and disruptions they'll face in the classroom on a daily basis.

From what I've experienced and seen, education in the U.S. is in real trouble.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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This is the natural result of being a sanctuary city. There are entire school districts there where every single child qualifies for the free lunch program. The once great manufacturing base that made Northern cities economically vibrant are gone and so are the decent paying blue collar jobs. The best jobs now are working for government and like most cities Chicago is loaded with employees who get generous pay and benefits. Paying the retirees from the system has also become a major source of fiscal headaches. Chicago is going the way of Detroit, not as fast but the future there looks pretty bleak.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 08:27 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Teikiatsu

2) I can vote for whom I want.
3) So the governor admits they have the money. "Just let me slap you around a little bit and I will give it to ya".

If you don't like my colorful language, don't respond to my posts.


I never said you couldn't vote for whoever you wanted. I simply pointed out your non-critical thinking on the issue at hand in conjunction to a politician that will promise more of the same. Unfortunately that means your vote will cancel out a critical thinker in your locality/state.

The governor offered a compromise. I thought that's what we wanted from politicians on opposite sides of the aisle?

Your language doesn't bother me at all. Your false narratives are a bit annoying, but not the worst I've ever read.
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posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

I think it has to do with the parents...my son graduated high school in 2005, was in AP classes the entire 4 years, and went on to graduate from college. the big secret was we kept a tight rein on his school work, his home work, went to teacher conferences, and open-houses, didn't trust him completely, because sometimes kids lie to get out of schoolwork.
as he went into his junior and senior years of high school, our trust level grew to the point where we didn't have to constantly monitor him.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: jimmyx

Sounds like good parenting!



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

I have been voting since the 70's. I am not completely stupid. I don't need to think about a life I witnessed. I got a lousy education because I was poor because my parents were a POS. But I had a certain amount of intellect, finished high school to get a degree to get a job, my hope. My brothers joined the gangs and cost the system a lot of money. We cannot punish the kids, there are good ones there, even in Chicago. All they know is to steal and kill.

The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001, President George W. Bush's education-reform bill, was signed into law on Jan. 8, 2002. By all accounts, it is the most sweeping education-reform legislation since 1965, when President Lyndon B. Johnson passed his landmark Elementary and Secondary Education Act.

This was suppose to fix the system. Leave our teachers and kids alone.



posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: xuenchen

I found a country for you that does not have a government. I was listening to Trump and he said Iraq has no government. I understand that for you no government is a good government. There ya go.


ding ding ^^^^

Iraq has a government.

And it failed a long time ago.

Buzzzzzz.




posted on Aug, 15 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

lol.



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