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posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: ChiefD

As a liberal, I will not vote for any republican. So I would have to do what I have done in past races and "vote for the lesser of two evils". I get so tired of doing this.


Chief, as a person that was in the NAVY, stop playing yourself into the two party game. Just as there were no two first class PO's alike there will be no 2nd class PO's aline and so on. If you put yourself into a tidy box of two choices, you limit yourself to still just following the chain of command.

You are actually now allowed your own point of view you know.

You can now actually do what you want.

No more following, time to lead Chief!




posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: ChiefD

Don't worry. It doesn't matter who gets the "vote". Both parties trade back and forth and nothing ever really gets done.



posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: ChiefD

Aw that is too bad. But you caint keep a good woman down. I was leaning toward Bernie. But, I am starting to get real pissed off at how Hillary is treated.



posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: Hefficide
Hey Heff, we disagree on much however we do not disagree on this.

Keep the peace and spread the word.



posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: ChiefD

My feelings about politics are as follows. Left wing, BS. Right wing, BS. Democratic, BS. Republican, BS. Liberal, BS. Conservative, BS.

Elections, BS.

Every 4 years is just more rhetoric. There is no continuity. There only new policies. In the end it is still all the same, BS.

They do not care how you vote and it really doesn't matter who POTUS is the underlying agenda will always be the same.

Do not be conflicted it is not worth the agony.



posted on Aug, 12 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: ChiefD




As a liberal, I will not vote for any republican


As a voter, you should look at both sides.

Have you by now?

Good.. Now that you've done that.. you should realize they're all trying to screw you.
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posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 12:06 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ChiefD

Aw that is too bad. But you caint keep a good woman down. I was leaning toward Bernie. But, I am starting to get real pissed off at how Hillary is treated.


Name another job you can keep while ignoring federal subpoenas.

Please.



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 12:11 AM
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a reply to: ChiefD

Watch this video. It's about how the government doesn't represent the people. It doesn't matter who runs or wins. The people are screwed either way.



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz

I would like to read about the ignored subpoenas. Frankly, I don't care anymore. If her name were Trump instead of Clinton, The dialogue here would be "he's a the real deal and a real man".



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: rockintitz

I would like to read about the ignored subpoenas. Frankly, I don't care anymore. If her name were Trump instead of Clinton, The dialogue here would be "he's a the real deal and a real man".


Yup

What difference does it make now?



ummm..
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posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 03:59 AM
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a reply to: ChiefD

Jill Stein from the Green Party is running again. Voting 3rd party vs not voting is sending a message, not voting is what they want.



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 04:24 AM
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originally posted by: ChiefD
With this latest scandal of Hilary Clinton's, I'm so conflicted. I'm worried she will get the Democrat nomination.

I want to like her, but I cannot make myself do this. I want Bernie Sanders to get the nod. If he isn't able to get it, I fear I will lose hope.

As a liberal, I will not vote for any republican. So I would have to do what I have done in past races and "vote for the lesser of two evils". I get so tired of doing this.

No, if she gets the nod, I will bow out. I will not vote at all as a form of protest. Because I'm tired of her and all her scandals. I don't like her.

This is all just pathetic.


I won't tell you how to vote. But I stopped voting for the lesser of 2 evils. Now I only vote for people who follow policies I agree with. Usually that means picking obscure 3rd party candidates or people I know who are running for something. The best part of it is I'm completely guilt free now in regards to politics.

The first time I was able to vote, I voted for Ralph Nader. Now I want to help alternative political parties & independent candidates reach the 5% of the vote threshold. That way, they'll qualify for publicly funded matching funds. If anyone else wants my vote they'll have to earn it. Either way, there's no way I'll ever vote for Hillary. Might as well vote for Bush or Cheney b/c we'd get the same foreign policy with either. Bleh!



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 04:25 AM
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Pretty piss poor choice for most Americans I imagine. I'm an outsider with no dog in the race, but I see a lot of bad candidates, none of whom I could vote for. Maybe Sanders, but I'm not sure he's tough enough for the job. It's there for the taking for the republicans, but their candidates all seem awful to me. It's like watching idiocracy in real life, watching Trump as the lead GOP candidate. There must be one smart conservative who could take the middle ground in America. Years of anti intellectualism and evangelical religion has put you in this position. You reap what you sow.



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 04:50 AM
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I can't help but find this all hillarious, LOL.

In 2012, I was super passionate about politics. I didn't like either party. I liked Ron Paul, but the media consistently threw him under the bus. This happened over and over... He was a REPUB, because the two party system IS/WAS the ONLY option. They knew Paul was trying to do things by THEIR rules, so THEY CHANGED their own rules! Ron Paul is extremely smart, he proved this over and over, and he knew the system very well, as he was in congress since the 70's without ever wavering on a single issue aside from the death penalty, yet SO MANY people ignored him, and agreed with the media's whole "crazy uncle Ron" tactic.

Let's fast forward now. We have another old guy named Bernie Sanders. Supposedly, he's smart too, like Ron. This guy isn't even afraid to call himself a socialist, just to make it blatantly obvious. MANY people, like me, can't stand the notion of blatant socialism as it is no where NEAR what America was founded to be. Things are SO bad right now though, that a lot of people just don't CARE about what America was "supposed" to be anymore.

(NO, I DON'T support Bernie, but I DO like the passion, I've seen this before!)

Then Bernie is heckled, JUST like Paul was, except this time, it's a racist group called "Black lives matter", while Paul was heckled by the "OWS" movement. These are quite literally the same "liberal" groups causing division for the MSM claiming to report on the "fringe" candidates. The "fringe" candidates who keep getting the most grass-roots support from thousands and thousands of people in America.

However. Hillary WILL win the dem candidacy regardless. Due to this simple fact of smearing by the media, and it's a tactic of division and fabricated BS, this is why the same dynasty of elite morons keep getting elected, and the "elite" dumb#s people keep thinking the majority actually elected them to continue to be in power. Hillary is the Mitt Romney of the democratic party. No-one really wants her, but the Liberal media has already chosen her. Hell, I believe even FOX has chosen her. (All media is owned by the same people. The division is what they love to sell us)


This is the time for Bernie to shine, but mark my words, he will NOT get the democratic nomination unless some kind of revolution happens. How do I know this? Because I witnessed this with Ron Paul. Not only that, but anyone with a brain can see the type of control the media has with this latest trump debacle. Just look at how a billionare can influence Fox News, "seemingly" right now involving apologies etc. But Fox WILL eventually win this thing against Trump. It's just a matter of time.

So much corruption exists that the media is openly talking about it now concerning Trump. They don't even care anymore. Why don't the PEOPLE care? The time we live in, is a time where either revolution happens, or this BS from media and government comes FULL CIRCLE, NO HOLDS BARRED. They will either control us completely, or we will have a voice. It's looking like full government control at this point. I really see this as our new furture, because we are too divided now. We can't come together for a common cause. It's sick. It's sad. And it's on pourpose. We WILL get what we deserve here.

This is why I will sit back and laugh. I laugh because it's all I can do. I can't help anymore, the fact that people have become this controlled and stupid is beyond ANYONE'S control, but the government's. AS they have PROVEN quite clearly and blatantly!

Peace!
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posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: ChiefD

Don't give up your vote! You have another choice! WRITE IN BERNIE SANDERS!!!

I'm quite certain this will be a huge movement if Hills gets the nod...



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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I haven't voted FOR anyone in many years....

I vote AGAINST Fascist however....



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: ChiefD

I still say Bernie will over take Hillary Clinton. People are tired of the Oligarchy, and with the scandal she's up against, she will lose supporters. Once Bernie is seen in the democratic debates, those who didn't really know him before will abandon Clinton. His poll numbers keep going up and he's attracting huge crowds.



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

I think the most important part is that most of these voters are simply looking for a true progressive leader. This time last year, no one was talking about Bernie. It was all about Elizabeth Warren because she was seen as that progressive leader. Senator Obama was seen as the progressives' biggest hope before that. And if Bernie drops out, people will push for some other far left hopeful.

This all must really suck for Hillary. Everyone on the left already knows her, has known about her for decades, and can read entire books on her accomplishments & failures. And we resoundingly reject her. Repeatedly. She has all of the wealth, connections, and capabilities to be President. Unfortunately, she's just as ruthless, cunning, deceptive, war craving, trickle-down promoting, and heartless as the other international power brokers.

Everyone who knows the truth knows that Bill was always the smart & charismatic face while Hillary was always the ruthless & methodical brain. And that's why she keeps getting rejected by the left wing base. Because we don't want a Cheney clone co-opting our causes.



posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: ChiefD

Don't give up your vote! You have another choice! WRITE IN BERNIE SANDERS!!!

I'm quite certain this will be a huge movement if Hills gets the nod...


Those were the EXACT words we spoke in 2012. MANY wrote Ron paul in, but it was completely ignored, and in some states, like mine, votes written in didn't even COUINT. For this reason, I ended up voting for Gary Johnson, the "next best" thing. The same thing will apply to Bernie. Basically what I'm saying here, is it's a hopeless and lost cause unless a revolution on some scale happens. Don't beleve me? I don't care, I KNOW this to be true. PEACE!
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posted on Aug, 13 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: ChiefD

Lets put it this way.......

Im NOT a liberal......

Everyone here knows im a STAUNCH conservative.......

That being said......if it were between Sanders and Trump or Clinton (which cant happen)

I would vote Sanders in a heartbeat.......

Why?

I despise the Socialist philosphy

However, Sanders STANDS by what he believes in.......he is EXACTLY who he says he is hes a socialist and he means it, his whole background shows it......

Hell even TRUMP lies about his background and who he is.....

If you dont like clinton I hold hope for you, because you can probably see through her BS

If Sanders and a Trump, or a lame Rep candidate are all I have to work with......as a staunch conservative.......

Ill vote sanders......

Hes all principles before politics......I dont agree with him, but hes honest......




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