Fetal tissue and how it has advanced medical science.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

At the Exspense of HUMAN LIVES .

No human live have been expended for the purpose of harvesting tissue.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

At the Exspense of HUMAN LIVES .

No human live have been expended for the purpose of harvesting tissue.

Fully formed kidneys, heart, lungs, liver, limbs in a lot of cases, albeit smaller........

So what was it? A friggin Volvo? A Prius? A cow?

Tell me , if it wasnt HUMAN, then why would they need to study it seeing as how they could get it off of other animals.......

Odd that............

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Why do you think a doctor would agree to perform an abortion on a fully developed fetus? Do you think women are aborting their fully aborted fetuses because they're mad at their "baby daddy"?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
the abortion did not occur because the mom wanted to donate the fetal tissue, heck for all you know it was a choice between that or dying for crying out loud!!!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Why do you think a doctor would agree to perform an abortion on a fully developed fetus? Do you think women are aborting their fully aborted fetuses because they're mad at their "baby daddy"?

Motivation is of no consequence..........truth however shows that you are wrong.......again........fully formed......other than size ........

If it were not ALIVE and not HUMAN they wouldnt need it from HUMANS to do research on now would they?

Your claim that its NOT HUMAN LIFE is refuted.......

Next......

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
the abortion did not occur because the mom wanted to donate the fetal tissue, heck for all you know it was a choice between that or dying for crying out loud!!!

had that been the case they would not be at PP they would be in an ER room .......

Next excuse.......

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

really ya think??? because I don't, a problem could have been detected but not life threatening at the moment and an abortion could be safely done by pp, an er visit would be a heck of alot more money being shelled out than planned parenthood!!!!

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Motivation is of no consequence

Really? That just shows how ignorant on this subject you actually are, and why people like you SHOULD have NO input in the matter, whatsoever!

Your claim that its NOT HUMAN LIFE is refuted

I have NEVER made any such claim! Of course a human women has human eggs that develop into human embryos and fetuses.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

really ya think??? because I don't, a problem could have been detected but not life threatening at the moment and an abortion could be safely done by pp, an er visit would be a heck of alot more money being shelled out than planned parenthood!!!!

Having worked in the medical field YES i can say that..........

If it was life threatening it wouldnt have been handled by them it would have been referred to an emergency facility.........

which is besides the point......the marjority of this was voluntary so the point is moot

a reply to: windword

I have NEVER made any such claim! Of course a human women has human eggs that develop into human embryos and fetuses.

Oh really?

No human live have been expended for the purpose of harvesting tissue.

Again I ask you, is it an Ox? Is it a Kangaroo? Maybe a Chipmunk?

If they have organs that they want that are developed, and they arent HUMAN and they dont have to KILL them.......then why cant they get them from another animal.........

You can attack me personally all you want........that does NOT change the facts

Abortions in the embryo stage should be acceptable. Anything more developed than that, such as when the brain, spine and heart etc. are developed, should be considered murder.

The OP's argument is saying, "I condone killing fetuses/babies, without any exceptions such as whether it be in 2nd trimester, because I want to live longer myself." Sounds rather selfish and disgusting, and if you condone abortion purely for its "benefits to medical science", aka promoting your standard of life, then you must also condone it if people eat the fetuses/babies too, as that serves a source of nutrition that can be used by the starving or poor. So should we set up "baby/fetus buffets" next?

So the scope of the argument is beyond that.
It has been at what point is a human considered "living" (this being the major divider), and at what point does it become unethical to be setting up a business model around promoting the act of abortion, profiting from it, and utilizing aborted babies/fetuses in sci-fi like experiments.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

if a problem was detected that would develope into a life threatening situation in the near future, but wasn't expected to be life threatening before it was reasonable to assume the person could get care elsewhere, I'm sorry, send them to the ER if you want, they will just check you out, determine that it isn't an emergency situation and refer you to someone who can treat you....
so no, I don't think so!
if somethings detected that won't develope into a problem till the time of birth, and the baby isn't due for a month and a half it's not an emergency situation!

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

No human live have been expended for the purpose of harvesting tissue.

That's right Women don't have abortions for the purpose of donating their specimens to science! No human lives are being taken for the purpose of harvesting tissue or organs.

no one intentionally kills and animal so the vultures can be fed,
they might accidentally hit the animal while driving on the highway, and well, the vultures are just vultures....

one thing for sure, it's not the pregnant women that are the vultures here, doubt if it's even planned parenthood. stemexpress, and the research companies would be my guess.....

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

At the Exspense of HUMAN LIVES .

No human live have been expended for the purpose of harvesting tissue.

Tell me , if it wasnt HUMAN, then why would they need to study it seeing as how they could get it off of other animals.......

Odd that............

Not having fully developed does not equal being a different species...every species is different genetically...did that really confuse you?

originally posted by: ketsuko
And I wonder where some of you stand on animal testing. If "we're just going to abort them anyhow" is your excuse for this, then you should be all in on animal testing. Somehow, I don't think you all are.

I see absolutely no rationale behind that comparison...
Situation 1 is IF there are abortions, THEN we may as well use the tissue for beneficial things like medical research.
And you compare it with...animal testing...there's not even an 'if-then'....that comparison doesn't make any sense...

a reply to: butcherguy

So what about the homeless, the mentally disabled and alone? Should we do the same with these unwanted?

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: ketsuko
And I wonder where some of you stand on animal testing. If "we're just going to abort them anyhow" is your excuse for this, then you should be all in on animal testing. Somehow, I don't think you all are.

That is testing on live animals. Like picking u p a kitten and dropping a new makeup chemical into it's eye. It is not the same.

So as long as we kill the kitten first...it is OK?

originally posted by: WalkInSilence

originally posted by: The GUT
Should we grow some of them little suckers for harvesting then? I know it's more complicated than that, but it all starts to lead to those kind of questions.

Thanks Gut this gives me an opportunity to vent. Good point.

Off course we should, it is possible, we could have pre-born tube baby nurseries where the facilitators are disengaged narcissistic zombies. (" He is sucking his thumb" "Yeah should be ready for harvest next week")

Or why not reimburse female "carriers" who can carry them full term. Some one will do it for money I have no doubt. Breeding stables with perfect studs.
Heck the Nazi regime contributed enormously to our knowledge of genetics, right. Why shouldn't we? We just call it some thing nice like "advance" "improvement" "cure" "liberal rights" "science".
We give it a name we can swallow. Fast Food.

I have no confidence in the human race.
You know why? I am human too.

You didn't get enough stars!

I would like to add to this thought. Take a moment and look around yourself...the news...war, etc. Probably the biggest problem in our world is a lack of respect for life and living. What is a person worth? I understand and support that some people aren't worth anything...murderers, terrorists, etc. But what about the homeless, the mentally ill, the handicapped? What are they worth?

The moment we as a society decide that a human, alive or dead is nothing but tissue is the day we commit ourselves to our lives being worthless. Obviously in my opinion. I remember when thugs would kill someone for their sneakers being a thing. The idea that a person's life was worth less to another than their $100 sneakers was unsettling. And today? Some people think other's lives are only worth a cheap thrill...killing them for the hell of it.

I know we are going in that direction and that the socialist, leftist, liberal idea is that we are just a commodity to be used for "the greater good". But I'm not a commodity. Neither are my children, my wife and not even my pets. These are things I love and will love long past their deaths. People and lives I will remember and respect and couldn't put a price upon. They are priceless.

originally posted by: TheJourney

originally posted by: ketsuko
And I wonder where some of you stand on animal testing. If "we're just going to abort them anyhow" is your excuse for this, then you should be all in on animal testing. Somehow, I don't think you all are.

I see absolutely no rationale behind that comparison...
Situation 1 is IF there are abortions, THEN we may as well use the tissue for beneficial things like medical research.
And you compare it with...animal testing...there's not even an 'if-then'....that comparison doesn't make any sense...

Right. A better comparison would be when animal shelters have to euthanize cats and dogs because there is simply no way to adequately care for them (no room, no money for food, medical care, etc.). I think it's sad that it happens, but I understand why it happens. If you were to take the already euthanized animals and use their bodies for research, I'm okay with that. That is a more accurate analogy than breeding living animals for testing purposes.