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originally posted by: stosh64
Here is one court ruling in favor of CMP.
BREAKING: Court Rules Against StemExpress On Undercover Planned Parenthood Video
You guys can go back to stroking each other now.
The videos are edited to make Planned Parenthood look bad. But that doesn't mean Planned Parenthood didn't do anything wrong.
The videos are sting videos that are designed to smear Planned Parenthood. The unedited footage shows the fake buyers actively attempting to make the discussions look worse for the hapless Planned Parenthood staffers. They are the ones, for instance, who suggest that Nucatola order wine with her meal ("I really, after this week was looking forward to a glass of wine, maybe a bottle, to share of course," one of them says).
It's routinely the fake buyers, not Planned Parenthood, who move the discussion toward money. When Planned Parenthood officials are asked about their motivation, they talk about fetal tissue donation as a real, positive good that could lead to medical advancements. They talk about patients who request these types of services, who like the idea of something productive coming out of their decision to terminate a pregnancy.
"I've had patients ask me before, 'Can I donate this?' I wish!" one Planned Parenthood nurse says.
These moments don't show up in the edited videos. But they are, arguably, the key to understanding the broader debate around these issues. Planned Parenthood is an organization that believes it can do good in the world by procuring fetal tissue for medical researchers. Their critics find fetal tissue research self-evidently repugnant. To a large degree, what you think of the videos comes down to what you think of the fraught topic of fetal tissue research.
This is a consistent theme throughout the 12 hours of video footage: Planned Parenthood officials emphasize, repeatedly, that they do not see fetal tissue as a revenue stream, nor do they intend to make money off of fetal tissue procurement.
Rather, they talk about it as a service they can provide to researchers and patients — something that patients want to participate in and that they want to facilitate, provided it does not lose their clinic any money.
This is the type of footage that tends to get edited out of the Center for Medical Progress clips — and it's much more prevalent than the troublesome moments I'll discuss later.
The Center for Medical Progress spent a lot of time with Planned Parenthood officials, at least 12 hours released on video so far. And during most of it, there really isn't a suggestion that Planned Parenthood intends to make money.
There are specific moments that suggest Planned Parenthood is operating in an ethically gray area— one that really should raise questions for the organization and its supporters.
Nucatola, the national medical director, is the one who says repeatedly that fetal tissue procurement is "not a revenue stream" for Planned Parenthood. Still, she proactively suggests an alternative: that the fetal tissue buyers might consider some type of in-kind donation to the clinics in order to build partnerships. About an hour into lunch, Nucatola suggests that clinics currently struggle with how to dispose of the tissue from abortions that won't be used for research — and suggests that the fetal tissue company could offer disposal services as an "in kind" service.
The disagreement at the heart of the Planned Parenthood videos isn't really about the organization and its internal policies. It's about the morality of fetal tissue research — and of abortion.
What these videos try to do is split the people who are actually comfortable with abortion from those who support it uncomfortably, and who might be repelled by the idea that aborted fetuses are being used for medical research. The Planned Parenthood staffers in these clips are genuinely comfortable with the morality of fetal tissue research — they speak easily, and even a bit dismissively, of issues that many Americans, including some who support Planned Parenthood, find ethically troubling.
But imagine, for a second, that Planned Parenthood came out tomorrow morning and said that the Center for Medical Progress had caused them to reconsider their position, and henceforth, they would no longer participate in fetal tissue research. Does anyone think Republicans would stop trying to defund Planned Parenthood? Or that the Center for Medical Progress would believe it had won?
Of course not. Planned Parenthood workers are comfortable with fetal tissue research because they are comfortable with abortion — they don't believe a first-trimester fetus to be a living, feeling human being, and so they see the donation of fetal tissue for medical research to be an obvious, unalloyed good. Their critics oppose abortion — they believe abortion to be murder and fetal tissue research to be a form of desecration. Where you fall on the Planned Parenthood videos really reflects where you fall on the fundamental questions of abortion.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Aazadan
You know statistically due to something called "voter fatigue" in our two party system, political authority usually flip-flops every 6 - 8 years or so. In other words, this is SUPPOSED to be the Republicans' election. If they would have just sat back and ran a normal campaign, I'd say they would have had a REALLY good chance of winning. But with the way they are acting know, it's likely that they will fumble the ball on their own 1 yard line because they are trying some VERY high risk tactics.
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Most of the Senate that's up for grabs in 2016 is Republican. Remember, in 2010 the Republicans defended all of their seats and gained 6. They have a lot to lose here with 24 seats up for election while the Democrats only have 13.
It's to far out to say if they're going to win or lose, but the potential is out there for them to lose big, they're probably losing the Senate no matter what they do.
Sean Hannity: "An Undercover Video Showing They Did Not Tell The Parents." Sean Hannity and his guest, anti-choice activist Lila Rose, repeatedly claimed that the latest video from CMP showed Planned Parenthood "did not tell the parents" about the donation process, and accused Planned Parenthood of breaking multiple laws:
Lila Rose, the founder and president of Live Action, a pro-life group, knows firsthand what it is like to film Planned Parenthood employees undercover.
Live Action has released many undercover videos of Planned Parenthood staffers, including a video of clinic staff giving X-rated advice to underage girls
CMP's incorporation papers list Troy Newman, the head of anti-abortion extremist group Operation Rescue (OR), as one of its board members.
OR and its members have a long history of committing crimes against abortion providers. Newman has been arrested, and Cheryl Sullenger, OR's senior policy adviser, served two years in prison following her conviction for conspiracy to bomb a California abortion clinic. In addition, Sullenger's phone number was found in the vehicle of Scott Roeder, who was convicted of murdering Dr. George Tiller.
This isn't the first time Congress has been duped by anti-choice groups. In 1999, another anti-abortion group, Life Dynamics, released an "undercover" video claiming that abortion providers were profiting from fetal tissue donation. The allegations led to a congressional hearing in which the star witness confessed to having been paid over $20,000 by Life Dynamics.
He recanted his story, saying under oath that he had lied and that he had no personal knowledge of any instances in which tissue donation programs had violated federal law.
The head of Life Dynamics, Mark Crutcher, admitted that the hearing was a train wreck. It's no surprise that Crutcher has also been consulting with CMP.
Washington, D.C. – Following Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) announcement of a working group, today U.S. Senator Joni Ernst (R-IA) along with Senators Rand Paul (R-KY), James Lankford (R-OK) and 21 cosponsors introduced legislation to protect women’s health and defund Planned Parenthood, S.1881. This legislation follows gruesome footage showcasing Planned Parenthood’s role in the harvesting of the organs of unborn babies.
Cosponsors of the bill include Senators John Barrasso (WY), Roy Blunt (MO), John Boozman (AR), Richard Burr (NC) Dan Coats (IN), Tom Cotton (AR) John Cornyn (TX), Ted Cruz (TX), Steve Daines (MT), Mike Enzi (WY), Deb Fischer (NE), James Inhofe (OK), Johnny Isakson (GA), Ron Johnson (WI), James Lankford (OK), John McCain (AZ) Mitch McConnell (KY), Jerry Moran (KS), Rand Paul (KY), David Perdue (GA), Pat Roberts (KS), Ben Sasse (NE), Tim Scott (SC), and John Thune (SD).
Even legislators who opposed abortion doubted his story and credibility. Then Representative — now Senator — Richard Burr, R-N.C., told the witness: "I found there to be so many inconsistencies in your testimony … your credibility, as far as this member is concerned, is shot."
What these videos try to do is split the people who are actually comfortable with abortion from those who support it uncomfortably, and who might be repelled by the idea that aborted fetuses are being used for medical research.
...it is immoral for PP to promote and distribute products, such as those listed above, as well as condoms, which artificially attempt to render procreation impossible, even to those who are married.
Like I said, the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot right now.
1. Baby Parts Marketing
A. Anatomic Gift Foundation dropping fetal tissue aspects of business.
B. Abortion industry hired a PI to ferret out “spies” in industry.
C. On Capitol Hill, Senator Bob Smith, addresses baby parts marketing, while in the House, a motion was passed for a congressional investigation into the marketing of baby parts. Pro-abortion Congress-people deny that baby parts are being marketed.
D. Order forms for baby parts make it impossible to say that fetus is a blob of tissue. Forms state specific body parts even in very early abortions.
E. Killing baby after a live birth abortion is the same as D&E, the only difference is location.