Do women REALLY need Planned Parenthood?

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

charities....will pay once or twice a year your rent, but you have to show an eviction notice...
they will also pay once or twice a year for you electric bill...which by the way, that help from the gov't for electricity is only for certain times of the year and even then will only pay a portion of the bill..

yanno i had the option to either stay in missouri or come to scotland and im glad i came to scotland, things are getting worse over there for people and its a damned shame

Why in the hell is the federal government involved in abortion/family planning at all? It should be a more local or state level issue. Personally I'm pro-life, but If you want to commit infanticide on the other side of the country it's not my business, until you want me to help pay for it.

originally posted by: smokingmonkey
Why in the hell is the federal government involved in abortion/family planning at all? It should be a more local or state level issue. Personally I'm pro-life, but If you want to commit infanticide on the other side of the country it's not my business, until you want me to help pay for it.

agreed, im pro choice only because i know its not my decision to make, but nobody but the person recieving the abortion should pay for it

a reply to: smokingmonkey

why are they paying for medical research?? why are they paying for the poor to have care?? why are they paying so that doctors can be trained in colleges? why are they paying for new drugs to be developed, immunizations??

a women's need to control her reproductive system is just as valid a need as any other medical need out there! why should it be treated differently???

a reply to: kellyjay

Wouldn't you have to actually make a lovely post first?

I'll admit, I think we've gotten off to a bad start. My bad, I'm a little overly inquisitive sometimes.

Let's see if I get your points:

1. You're pro-choice but against abortion, and most of your data that you use to substantiate your points comes from "pro-life" sites.

2. You feel like the fact that abortions are covered in the UK's national healhcare plan means that you, personally, are paying for others abortions via your tax dollars, and you don't like that.

3. You find some aspect of the Planned Parenthood "videos" unacceptable, like the oft-proven untrue claim that PP is "selling body parts."

Do I understand your general positions correctly?

originally posted by: JohnnyTede

Nope you want my money.

Nope, I don't. I earn my own money and take nothing from the government either.

You're precious money is safe from me.

But none of that answers my question which you keep avoiding.

BTW, I apologize kelly. I wasn't trying to derail your thread. I actually thought I was doing you a favor exposing the fact that one of your supporters in this thread was really a troll with zero credibility and some issues dealing with partisan favor, racism and sexism. But I guess not everyone cares who they get their information from.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: kellyjay

Wouldn't you have to actually make a lovely post first?

I'll admit, I think we've gotten off to a bad start. My bad, I'm a little overly inquisitive sometimes.

Let's see if I get your points:

1. You're pro-choice but against abortion, and most of your data that you use to substantiate your points comes from "pro-life" sites.

2. You feel like the fact that abortions are covered in the UK's national healhcare plan means that you, personally, are paying for others abortions via your tax dollars, and you don't like that.

3. You find some aspect of the Planned Parenthood "videos" unacceptable, like the oft-proven untrue claim that PP is "selling body parts."

Do I understand your general positions correctly?

no you dont..let me clarify

1. im pro-choice, but think people shouldnt be forced to pay for those abortions other than the person getting one.

2. i know for a fact that abortions done on the nhs that the tax payer owns and which is funded specifically by taxes which is paid for by tax payers..which i proved earlier with a link to the funding nhs government website that you didnt address.

3. i find them to be dubious and think an investigation should be done yes.

glad we had this chat!

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: JohnnyTede

Nope you want my money.

Nope, I don't. I earn my own money and take nothing from the government either.

You're precious money is safe from me.

But none of that answers my question which you keep avoiding.

BTW, I apologize kelly. I wasn't trying to derail your thread. I actually thought I was doing you a favor exposing the fact that one of your supporters in this thread was really a troll with zero credibility and some issues dealing with partisan favor, racism and sexism. But I guess not everyone cares who they get their information from.

I accept your apology but if you could maybe stop adressing him now thus not perpetuating the sitch that'd be great

a reply to: Murgatroid

Thank you for that research!

This part makes me sick:

Because one of President Obama’s first acts in office was the repeal of the “Mexico City Policy” – a policy prohibiting U.S. taxpayer dollars from being used to fund abortions.

Now I really really dislike (more late h*t*) that man.

originally posted by: kellyjay

1. im pro-choice, but think people shouldnt be forced to pay for those abortions other than the person getting one.

So where do you draw the line. Because depending upon who you ask I'm sure everyone has their own opinion on what they would rather not have to pay for. Maybe I think I shouldn't have to pay breast cancer exams with my tax dollars. I don't have breasts so why don't they pay for those themselves?? Or Birth Control??? I'm not having sex with them so why don't they pay for their own BC???

The reason is because we don't each get to pick and choose details like that when it comes to Socialized Programs because there would never be an end to it. That's how Social Services work. We all must give a little and it's not just money. Sometimes we have to give up having things be our way and allow for variables to exist.

a reply to: BlueAjah


what it is:

The Mexico City Policy is an intermittent United States government policy that required all non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that receive federal funding to refrain from performing or promoting abortion services as a method of family planning with non-US government funds in other countries. Since January 23, 2009, the policy has not been in effect. From 1973 on, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) has followed the Helms Amendment ruling, banning use of U.S. government funds to provide abortion as a method of family planning anywhere in the world.

en.wikipedia.org...

so maybe I am wrong, but it seems that the only thing different between that and the hyde ammendment is the words "or promoting abortion services as a method of family planning"

hmmm.... does one of the biggest manufacturers of all the crap that sold in the US still practice their one child policy still?? just wondering here. since well, alot of the enforcement of that policy was left up to the employers...
just seems so hypocritical to me when companies like hobby lobby gripe because a new law requires them to provide birth control while they are buying from manufacturers that are forcing women in china to have abortions or penalizing them for not!
but well, ya know, profit is king in the good ole USA!!!

a reply to: mOjOm

i have no issue with other services, i just dont like the idea of other people paying for abortions....you know "people say well its a personal thing between the mother and doctor" well if thats the case then they should pay for it.

im pro-choice only because i know my limits, and i know that i have no rights to someone elses body, but i don't like it, i don't like abortion and i dont like the idea that my taxes fund it (here in the UK) but like you said when it comes to a socialised system there has to be give and take and i agree with that, but i dont have to like it

im out, will reply to any posts tomorrow

a reply to: kellyjay

Do you also feel that when you pay your taxes, and the government uses those funds to say ... pave a street across town that you never use ... is that also as obnoxious to you, because you feel like you're being forced 'to pay for something' that you're not using?

Probably at this point there will have to be a myriad of investigations into these claims. Every investigation (and there have been many) of these IDENTICAL claims of wrong-doing by the SAME PEOPLE has proven negative.

That's my point. To me, the fraud is obvious. Not because I'm pro-choice, but because I believe in the truth.

Anywho, best.

a reply to: kellyjay

That's right, nobody said you have to like it. I don't like the fact that my tax dollars go to pay for some dudes viagra or his penis pump and about a million other personal things that are being paid for either. But since it's not my call and I do support the overall institution and the many other services they provide I wouldn't advocate for their funds being pulled.

My personal feeling in one small area don't trump the over all positive results that are tied in with it.

originally posted by: kellyjay
In light of the recent "unsavoury" videos that have surfaced with regards to questionable practice within PP, there has been a push from the right to defund PP, which has brought a lot of democrat politicians, feminists and pro-choice people out of the wood work claiming its a "war on women's health"

Indeed. Use the word "pro-abortion" or "anti-abortion" and prepare for a firestorm of people saying that's too harsh (because objective terminology doesn't support either agenda). Or refer to a 5 month old aborted baby/fetus as a "baby" instead of "fetus" (or vice versa) and pepper your angus because someone is about to go deep. You also apparently have an agenda against women's rights if you take an anti-abortion stance, even if you're sportin a vag.

Many people believe that the backroom research that this government agency PP is involved in, which is a federal crime if they are indeed profiting from it, will somehow benefit them or be made readily available for the public. These people don't pay attention to skyrocketing rates in diabetes, cancers, autism, obesity, hypothyroidism, Alzheimer, etc. that's by design and think the government is genuinely concerned about their health. Most don't know PP was Prescott Bush's brainchild and had ulterior motives from its onset. As a legal, tax-paying citizen I for one do not want my taxpayer dollars being handled like this.

Fortunately insightful people will be investigating this. I can foresee not complete defunding, if any at all, but more oversight and reform over PP's abortion agenda and policies. A precise excision and modification that leaves their other services untouched.

I am pro-abortion on many levels. I am just tired of people (who have way too much free time, judging by this thread and others alike) who convolute the discussion by spinning objective terms or think everything is a "war on women", which derails any debate.

And sadly people will never be universally aligned on this because of 1 simple fact: only god knows when life begins. So I'm just on the side of exercising caution. When I watched an abortion ultrasound, "The Silent Scream", and saw the fetus/baby's heart rate jump as it pathetically tried to scramble away from the abortionist's instruments, I realized it's a gray subject, and a necessary evil that needs to be controlled well.

a reply to: TheLegend

So ...that's a really long-winded version of "I'm right everyone else is stupid"

That simplifies your argument eh? Lol

a reply to: kellyjay

The town I live in Has a PP office . The county population is 180,000 , 2 hospitals 2 county health offices 5 sliding scale clinics plus the Indian health Services and a Indian hospital and many Indian clinics.

At the county health open 5 days 8-5 sat 9-4 free rubbers just walk in grab a hand full and leave free pregnancy tests and you can get a prescription for contraception methods. Clinics depending on income The pill scrip and filling it is free or 2 -20 if 50,000/y then they dont qualify.

Now PP open 3 days a week hrs varied no free contraception devices or scrips for the pill prenatal care was refereed out mammograms refereed out . Sometimes there is only a sign that says call xxx-xxx-xxxx for an appointment .

4 year old info I dont work near that office now . Use to drive by it maybe 20 times a day.

Good question why do we need a Pp here .

a reply to: Lostinthedarkness

I think a better question is "Why wouldn't you?"

Is there some reason you wouldn't want availability and choice of healthcare in your town?

It almost seems like you've got something against Planned Parenthood facilities, wherever they are, and whatever they're doing.

originally posted by: Lostinthedarkness

The town I live in Has a PP office . The county population is 180,000 , 2 hospitals 2 county health offices 5 sliding scale clinics plus the Indian health Services and a Indian hospital and many Indian clinics. he pill prenatal care was refereed out mammograms refereed out .

Lucky you.

Guess all women should move to increase the population of your town.