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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Mugly
Worth a thread in its own right isn't it? I'm tired take the reigns Mugly .
fetal tissue from abortions, with the woman’s consent, is being legally provided for medical research — research that has contributed to medical advances, making life a little more livable for millions of people around the world
The National Institutes of Health spent $76 million on research using fetal tissue in 2014, records show, with plans to spend roughly the same amount this year and in 2016.”
“Nearly $1 million last year went to Trellis Bioscience, a private company, to fund work on medicine treating Cytomegalovirus, which causes enlarged spleens and seizures in newborns. About $875,000 funded HIV research at Massachusetts General Hospital and $386,000 funded work on neuro-developmental disorders at Stanford University
Other vaccines created through the use of tissues obtained in abortions are the Chicken Pox, Rubella and Shingles vaccines. The tissues used in these developments were acquired from two elective abortions performed in the 1960s.
In addition to vaccines, research using fetal tissue has advanced science for diseases like Parkinson’s disease, diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease, Huntington’s disease, AIDS, muscular dystrophy, herpes, blindness and even some pre-natal testing.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
Who needs them,
most of you seem to think
society would be much better
off without those bothersome
Thank you for clarifying for me what I suspected about the ethics
and moral stance of pro-abortionists (pro-choice)
You said exactly what I have observed, that the pro-choice
people feel ethics are outdated,
I hope when you get old that society won't have decided
that if you are over 65 and need surgery, it is against
societies benefit to give you the surgery or treatment.
That this becomes the societal standard and the ethics
of the day. Because by the time you are old, society
will be forced to pay back all the borrowed money and
debt and will be like Greece and have to make severe
cutbacks and make hard choices about what a country
can and can not afford.
Society at the point will not be able to afford to care
for societies non-working or contributing members,
it is coming.
Once single payer in entrenched, then the government
will decide who gets treatment and who does not,
and trust me when you are old, it won't be you.
There are many in congress who would like to
do away with treatment or surgery for anyone who
is old and doesn't contribute to society. That is rapidly
becoming the other end of life value,
which we place on the 24+ week old infant of today.
Ethics and morality shift rapidly and wildly,
it was ethical in the eyes of the National Socialists
to euthanize people they felt were detrimental
to their society and to make society better.
originally posted by: fixitwcw
a reply to: Gryphon66
well, i will take your word for it then. we all know you can't prove it.
but sincerely...... if i was wrong, i apologize for the lapse in my insight.
but i still wish you to dispute me in a logical manner on the other points.
As I understand it, when a woman has an abortion through PP or an affiliate, she has the option to donate her fetal tissue for scientific/medical research. When that donation is made, basically the person has no further influence on what and how those tissues are used (and I would imagine, no interest aside from feeling that they might be helping someone.)
Your exception to my use of the word "spirit" (in quotes) is your own perception as I didn't make a single claim about you and religion, and I fail to see how what I said qualifies as "logically invalid ad hominem reverse "argument from authority" (in further point of fact, that phrase has little actual meaning ... you've gathered together a group of words.)
I'm not a woman who has had an abortion; I'm a gay man who believes in the rights of women to the ownership of their own bodies, so ... swing and a miss on that one
There is a vast difference between reasonable laws applied equitably and injustice and abuse. You seemed to be saying (since you repeated it twice) that anyone who believes in laws that actually help protect people (like say, Roe v. Wade) is somehow a sycophantic worshiper of the state. This is far from accurate.
I did not and still have no idea of what you're referring to with "state recording laws" ... please qualify if are still interested in an answer.
So, someone either agrees with your particular take on things, or they're wrong. I can tell this discussion is really going to go places. Okay, let's imagine that this is actually going on, actually against the law. Let's imagine that these videos were not fraudulently obtained, through deceit, fabrication, what have you. These videos show 4 or 5 individuals DISCUSSING actions. How do you, in your mind, extend that to 700 Planned Parenthood locations and 59 affiliated groups? Guilt by association? Damnation by emotion? Follow up: what do you want to do with fetal tissue ... throw it away? Burn it?
Let's imagine that these videos were not fraudulently obtained, through deceit, fabrication, what have you.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Cremation of the child would be preferable.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
Ok, Joseph Mengele also thought his research on
live human tissue was worth it because of all of the
cures and advances in medicine it might produce.