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originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: Erno86
I'm only an armchair scientist, and a surveyor with no license...but I've had a lot of time (since my one an only --- double --- Foo Fighter sighting) too speculate about --- how on earth --- alien starships tick.
I would tend to believe that Foo Fighter propulsion is different from Hadron Collider technology --- save for the production of a micro-mini black hole.
It was the black hole that made me ask about it actually. That sort of thing really fascinates me. For being an armchair scientist, you certainly seem to have a pretty detailed idea of the inner workings of such craft. I don't know what all of that stuff means, but it is not the first time I've heard mention of plasma in conjunction with advanced propulsion and I'm trying to wrap my grey matter around it. It's a lot to take in.
originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: JimOberg
I was just commenting on the fact we do indeed have boom less aircraft or a reduced boom that its inaudible above a fairly low alt. shapping is key.
as for some of those LTA vehicles. i could imagine a bunch of ways they could be relatively quiet. like electric propellers.
btw. this my first time interacting with you. i think its pretty cool that a average joe like me gets to converse with the actual Jim oberg.
originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: Wolfenz
The drawings from Kiev are supposed to represent what witnesses reported seeing. Do you want to consider any possible prosaic explanations, or not? Please read my linked report [third time] and comment on its theory.
So its either Art imitates Life or Life Imitates Art..
Except, if you read the story you'll find that is not the case. Verne's spacecraft was a projectile. Bullet shaped with no stages, just a really big gun.
has a lot of resemblance of the actual Real Deal Control Module from Apollo
with stages ?
This fictional columbiad is made of cast iron six feet thick, is 900 feet (274 m) long, and has a bore with a diameter of nine feet. It weighs more than 68,000 short tons (61,700 metric tons or 60,700 long tons) and is therefore cast directly in the ground, rather than being mounted on rails. The cannon is then loaded with 400,000 pounds (180,000 kg) of "pyroxyle" (gun cotton) to give the projectile sufficient velocity to leave Earth's atmosphere and reach the Moon.[7]
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz
So its either Art imitates Life or Life Imitates Art..
False dichotomy.
How about, an artist's imagination creates an impression on that of others?
The idea of space travel, yes. The technology, no. The Apollo missions were not projectiles. It took far more than "a few minors" to get to the Moon. The only thing Von Braun may have gotten from Verne was the idea of space travel.
So says NASA to Jules Verne From the Earth to MOON
young boys receives influenced from reading from the earth to the moon
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz
I thought you were talking about visual arts, since you were presenting images of imaginary spacecraft.
The idea of space travel, yes. The technology, no. The Apollo missions were not projectiles. It took far more than "a few minors" to get to the Moon. The only thing Von Braun may have gotten from Verne was the idea of space travel.
So says NASA to Jules Verne From the Earth to MOON
young boys receives influenced from reading from the earth to the moon
The United States would launch the first manned vehicle to go to the moon.
The shape and size of the vehicle would closely resemble the Apollo command/service module spacecraft.
The number of men in the crew would be three.
A competition for the launch site would ensue between Florida and Texas which actually was resolved in Congress in the 1960s with KSC as the Flordia launch site and Houston, Texas as the Mission Control Center.
A telescope would be able to view the progress of the journey. When Apollo 13 exploded, a telescope at Johnson Space Center witnessed the event which happened more than 200,000 miles from Earth.
The Verne spacecraft would use retro-rockets which became a technology assisting Neil Armstrong and his crewmates in their journey to the Moon.
Verne predicted weightlessness although his concept was slightly flawed in thinking it only was experienced at the gravitational midpoint of the journey (when the Moon and Earth gravity balanced).
The first men to journey to the Moon would return to Earth and splash down in the Pacific Ocean just where Apollo 11 splashed down in July of 1969 one hundred and six years after the initial publishing of Jules Verne's FROM THE EARTH TO THE MOON.
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz
I thought you were talking about visual arts, since you were presenting images of imaginary spacecraft.
The idea of space travel, yes. The technology, no. The Apollo missions were not projectiles. It took far more than "a few minors" to get to the Moon. The only thing Von Braun may have gotten from Verne was the idea of space travel.
So says NASA to Jules Verne From the Earth to MOON
young boys receives influenced from reading from the earth to the moon
ok ok . Phage you made a point
but from the mouth of NASA well. NASA JR ..
JULES VERNE SPACE BOOK GALLERY
FROM THE EARTH TO THE MOON
er.jsc.nasa.gov...
The United States would launch the first manned vehicle to go to the moon.
The shape and size of the vehicle would closely resemble the Apollo command/service module spacecraft.
The number of men in the crew would be three.
A competition for the launch site would ensue between Florida and Texas which actually was resolved in Congress in the 1960s with KSC as the Flordia launch site and Houston, Texas as the Mission Control Center.
A telescope would be able to view the progress of the journey. When Apollo 13 exploded, a telescope at Johnson Space Center witnessed the event which happened more than 200,000 miles from Earth.
The Verne spacecraft would use retro-rockets which became a technology assisting Neil Armstrong and his crewmates in their journey to the Moon.
Verne predicted weightlessness although his concept was slightly flawed in thinking it only was experienced at the gravitational midpoint of the journey (when the Moon and Earth gravity balanced).
The first men to journey to the Moon would return to Earth and splash down in the Pacific Ocean just where Apollo 11 splashed down in July of 1969 one hundred and six years after the initial publishing of Jules Verne's FROM THE EARTH TO THE MOON.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz
The illustration looks more like a train (note the smokestack) and has nothing to do with the text.
a reply to: tigertatzen
The one an only UFO landing spot that I personally investigated.
You can go deeper on Slideshare with this link:
www.slideshare.net...
Here is an excerpt of the MUFON report:
"page 8"
"#1,024 --- United States, Gatchellville, Pennsylvania, March 8, 1977
Eleven (11) witnesses at various locations reported seeing a 'red ball of fire' moving very slowly at very low level. Duration of sighting was 25 minutes. A ground fire was reported and an area 30x100 feet, was found burnt. In this burnt area, a triangular section was not burnt. The area measured 72"x54"x52"; a 3/4" diameter x 3/4" deep hole was found at each point of the triangle." (Report from John Lutz to CUFOS)
Gatchellville is a township at Fawn Grove, Pennsylvania
What I had hoped would be worth discussing is some new research of mine on UFO cases over the last half century that indicate that in terms of reports of 'giant UFO motherships', there is one documented type of prosaic visual stimulus that can be PROVEN to generate such perceptions without the need for an actual 'giant craft', as explained here --
originally posted by: charolais
I am puzzled at the amount of energy that would be required to hold a craft that size up in the air.
Now, granted beings from another planet could have entirely different forms of energy and technology, it still amazes me that crafts this size could hover and move throughout our atmosphere.