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originally posted by: JimOberg
originally posted by: Wolfenz
well if that's the case it must be a whole lot of cameras focus on each one !
smoke and Mirrors ..
I'm not following your logic here. There was ONE external camera following the tether pass, four days after the breakaway. It was a ruggedized space-qualified simple piece of hardware designed for monitoring activity in the payload bay, not a scientific instrument for detailed observation. There were four of them, one in each corner of the payload bay.
There were OTHER much better cameras inside the cabin also being used by the crew to image the tether. The UFO hucksters conceal the images from THOSE cameras. Or maybe they just didn't know much about the encounter and never bothered to look for other camera images. Well, they lied to you about the four-day gap from break to swarm [careful editing was supposed to make you think the swarm showed up quickly, and the trick worked on many -- how about on you?], so it wouldn't surprise me if that were the only deception in their original presentation.
The motion of small objects around the shuttle was a combination of drift, or thruster plume impingement, or gradual air drag effects, of self-thrusting from sunlight-induced sublimation off the illuminated side, and so forth. These dots moved like ice flakes had been observed to move mission after mission after mission, we saw it on the big screen in Mission Control often. It wasn't any mystery once you realized all the unearthly factors involved, there was no reason you would be expected to be familiar with them, so using earthside visual cues would be misleading because it's outer space.
A CCTV camera tracking an unknown light source in Little Hulton, UK on September 12th 1993. When out of focus, the object appears donut shaped with notches which shift according to it's position within the field of view. Notice also the onset of barrel distortion as the object approaches the optical periphery. The dark diagonal line is merely the shadow of a strand-like object immediately in front of the lens. Whatever the nature of the light source (probably nothing out of the ordinary), this footage is a classic demonstration of how anomalous objects can be conjured through improper use of a camera lens.
originally posted by: Segenam
im guessing you have seen the 'tether incident' footage at some point ? ...
What i find interesting, and relates to what you are discussing, is when David Sereda offers his opinions on the footage .. He does some maths, and based on the type of camera used, how the optics work .. the size of tether, and how far away it is .. erring on side of caution, he says, that as you see a craft pass behind the tether .. assuming it is directly behind it, taking all else into account, that these crafts must be at least 2 mile wide ....
about 1h 24 mins into the vid below ...
im going by memory there .. it something like that .. havent watched the vid in years ... he refers to them as independence day size craft anyway ... and theres loads of them ... huge swarm ...
That 2nd vid there takes a while to start .. but once it does .. david, in my view, offers some pretty interesting 'scientific' suggestions ... The lecture is about 3 hours-ish split into 2 vids ... If anyone is interested in this stuff, and hasnt seen it yet .. If you dont mind david sereda, i suggest having a watch ... he goes into explaining how he believes these craft are abvle to achieve the flight they do, and the way they disappear from our electromagnetic visible range ... and bend space ( and therefor likely time to an extent )
i do believe these apparent NASA video streams intercepted and recorded by Martyn Stubbs over a 5 year period, are likely real .... I believe him .. and so believe the tether footage, and his other video offerings....
on that basis .. and when i look at just how many of those huge craft were 'on site' within minutes of that tether breaking, and 'lighting up' ... and all the other instances he has recorded, of many crafts zooming about doing stuff ..
soo many of them here so quickly ... my biggest question is .. 'what are they doing up there' ... they are likely up there right now .. and down here .. i doubt they are flying all those craft around here for a laugh or a bit of fun .. seems they are doing some quite important stuff ... hmmm ... i dont like it one bit .. seems very sinister .. operating in the background, within the shadows
originally posted by: Iamnotadoctor
a reply to: wastedown
What were you smoking that night when you saw this craft?
From my point of view it was edge on and all I could see was a long line of flashing color changing lights that pulsed in sequence that the had to be linked together, but all I saw between them was night sky but distorted almost pixelated, from my sons view he looked more up under it and says it was like black silver that he said looked like a screen that he could see through, but could tell it was pretending to look like the sky and stars, that it was a solid thing. It covered a big section of sky south and west Denton maybe just on the west of I-35W traveling north and west and getting lower, we watched it slowly silently drift out ov view below my neighbors shop roof and his trees. It was hard to tell how far away it was, but at least 10 miles and it covered a near 15 degree section of the sky, blocking the horizon, BIG!!
was night sky but distorted almost pixelated, from my sons view he looked more up under it and says it was like black silver that he said looked like a screen that he could see through, but could tell it was pretending to look like the sky and stars, that it was a solid thing.
And while this amazing event was occurring right in front of your very eyes the concept of going and getting something like a camera/cellphone was completely out of your thought process?
Or let me guess, the gosh darn thing had just run out of battery charge?
Those giant ships have zero mass as an effect upon itself from the field it is encapsulated in, rendering it immune to gravity, and it travels using positive and negative polarity attraction and repulsion that our own military calls "magneto aerodynamics" edit: (which is classified right now, Stanton Friedman conducted a survey on Magneto Aerodynamics and 90% of the documents he found that existed on that subject were, and still are classified by the military). Fascinating stuff to read I would bet.
What if the size of the crafts indicate the size of the occupants. Maybe they're from a world where everyone is 20 ft tall. LIke the red giants or the Nephilim.
originally posted by: SheepDipped
a reply to: Wolfenz
The notch in the "disk" is the aperture of the camera. Most extremely out of focus small objects will be round with a notch in them, because the object is so out of focus that it takes the shape of the camera's aperture.
I'm not saying they aren't objects. They clearly are, but like "orbs" and the like, they aren't actually round with a notch in the side.
Also, maybe there so big because they are powered by a particle accelerator like CERN.
Then there's that unavoidable fact of displacement. If we climb into a bath, the water is displaced and rises. If we place an object that's several million cubic feet in volume in our atmosphere, it'll displace that much air in our atmosphere. This would, you'd expect, cause some significant winds which are never mentioned in the reports I've read. Furthermore, if that big bastard moves through the air (as typically described) it'd have to create air currents. If it does that 'shot off at speed' thing, where's the thunderclap? Where are the trees being whooshed over or witnesses with burst eardrums from the sudden, massive change in air pressure??