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Khodakovsky said it was widely known that rebels had obtained BUKs from Ukrainian forces in the past, including three captured at a checkpoint in April and another captured near the airport in Donetsk. He said none of the BUKs captured from Ukrainian forces were operational.
While he said he could not be certain where the BUK system operating on rebel territory at the time of the air crash had come from, he said it may have come from Russia.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
Well actually both sides have said a lot during this Ukranian civil war, it all began after this plane was shot down when the west started throwing accusations with no proof at Russia, from there the propaganda war is really just a muddle of differing opinions with no actual facts of anything so far.
If Russia has nothing to hide why are they doing their best to keep the truth from being found out?
I have an inclination to believe that Ukraine misidentified its target because of the Russian craft. I think that they inadvertently locked on to the passenger craft.
They aren't. That's just an empty piece of rhetoric desperately made to smear the Russians. I could show you the nice, round bullet holes in a piece of cockpit fuselage from MH17 with their jagged edges bent either outwards (exit) or inwards (entry), consistent with rounds fired from a Ukrainian jet fighter that passed completely through the cockpit. But I won't, because people like you who filter the evidence to suit their beliefs will claim the fuselage was planted! Others may read for themselves the damning evidence reported by a German pilot:
originally posted by: Rocker2013
originally posted by: StickyBuddha
a reply to: Cobaltic1978
defiantly Ukraine played a part in this no doubt about that.
Only one side aimed a Buk missile launcher at that plane. So, only one side is responsible for murdering 298 entirely innocent people.
Ukraine were in possession of BUK missile systems too! Another obvious fact!
See the problem with that is that radar operators in Ukraine and Russia both said the airline was intercepted by Ukrainian Fighter Jets and led off course 300 miles south of it's flight plan over Ukraine. Why would Ukrainian jets lead it to be shot down by Russian separatists?
Russian arms manufacturer Almaz Antey claims that an older version of the Buk surface-to-air missile found in Ukrainian but not Russian military arsenals downed flight MH17 over east Ukraine.
Mikhail Malyshevsky, adviser to the director general of the state-owned arms consortium, said that the conclusion had been formed by company experts after studying photographs of debris from the crash site.
The only ones with the motive to shoot down an airliner was Ukraine as they were trying to blame anything on Russia to start a war.
Same thing why Blackwater (Academi) Mercenaries were dressing up in Russian Rebel uniforms and blowing up Ukrainian targets.
(I have friends in Ukraine and Latvia that are getting the true story unlike us getting the BS from our media)
In 2014, TASS reported on Russian exercises that includes the BUK-M1 that Russia supposedly didn't use anymore. It would be simple, even if none were in active service to take one out of storage, or one captured from ye Ukraine, train the rebels on basic use, and turn it over to them.