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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Profusion
You're right, if someone wishes to put themselves tens of thousands of dollars into student loan debt to obtain a degree in art history, that's entirely their choice. Obviously the degree isn't worthless to them because they're willing to pay for it for the next 10-20 years.
Nearly 20 million Americans attend college each year. Of that 20 million, close to 12 million – or 60% - borrow annually to help cover costs.
originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: Profusion
You know my friend, the tough truth is that you're wrong. Those professors who teach those classes go out and eat food produced by laborers and industrial scientists who don't have the liberty of thinking about philosophy divorced from power, art divorced from marketing affect, or social studies divorced from social conditioning. The means of production in our society is tied to the pragmatism of power, and those who leave that are themselves left in intellectual movements (I assume to be, for instance, money laundering schemes) like "modern art" of the 1970s: They fool many, but those who made the money were connected with real world realities the millions of failed imitators were not: The need to establish the intangible nature of economic value, which those who needed to move money untracibly desired be established in the collective mind of the US.
The true socially beneficial state requires self knowledge by the people, the knowledge of the people of their own self deceptions, and vices, and the pleasure they feel when they indulge those vices. Only in the light of the awareness of what we really are can heartfelt moral decisions be made. The arrogance of degrees which no one is interested in must be cast aside by those individuals interested in serving the people, the market must be listened to with its secret wisdom of what the people want.
Wouldn't it be better to have a society that's poor, wise, and happy than a society that's rich, foolish, and miserable? Could it be that those with the consciousness that propagates the "useless degree" concept are helping to create the latter?
A university is a lot more than its teachers. It's the facilities, it's the interaction with other students, it's the chance to become aware of and concentrate on abstract ideas that one may never have time to ponder again, it's the chance to formulate one's own worldview hopefully unimpeded by societal norms, and it's many other such useful things.
The "useless degree" concept is based on boiling down everything to money. The "useless" in "useless degrees" means that the degrees won't help individuals holding the degrees to make money.
Is that not a completely unenlightened way of looking at the world?
Wouldn't it be better to have a society that's poor, wise, and happy than a society that's rich, foolish, and miserable?
Could it be that those with the consciousness that propagates the "useless degree" concept are helping to create the latter?
Universities are not meant to be vocational training centers. It's almost like the people that propagate the "useless degree" concept want to force everyone into attending a vocational training center despite the fact that universities have never been meant to be that. These people seem to want the world to conform to their value system which is, "everything needs to boil down to money." I assert that that is the consciousness that
"everything needs to boil down to money."
For those that believe in the "useless degree" concept, take a step back and think non-linearly for a moment. If we want to create a better society for all, wouldn't it take progress in every field including the fields that are put in the "useless degree" category? How could the necessary progress be made to make society better for all without the knowledge transmittal process of the university system functioning in its entirety?
How could the necessary progress be made to make society better for all without the knowledge transmittal process of the university system functioning in its entirety?
I get the feeling that the people propagating the "useless degree" concept would often like to just do away with universities completely and replace them with vocational training centers. That's about as unenlightened as one can be in my opinion.