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Thermite or Explosives ?

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posted on Aug, 10 2015 @ 10:28 PM
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You can't have both.

Thermite doesn't explode so you have to dismiss those claims of explosions.
Thermite won't shoot steel beams out of the building and down the street.
Thermite requires containment boxes around the beam to be burnt through.
Thermite can be set off by simple office fires.

Explosives blows out all the windows in a series of staccato booms and rocks the neighborhood.
Explosives won't leave micro spheres in the dust of 911.
Explosives and detonation devices have an expiration date.
Explosives can be dislodged and not go off at all by the airplane explosion.

Choose your poison and show us proof.



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posted on Aug, 10 2015 @ 10:35 PM
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I have no dog in this fight, but I am curious....

Why in fact can it not be both? Would that break some rule or something?



posted on Aug, 10 2015 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: samkent

I am pretty sure thermite is considered a low explosive but I could be wrong. Also magnesium powder will explode and burn a little like themite.



posted on Aug, 10 2015 @ 10:54 PM
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Nano-energetics are produced for various applications including propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.

Copper(II) thermite reactions can be so fast that copper thermite can be considered a type of flash powder. An explosion can occur and send a spray of copper drops to considerable distance.

The thermite reaction can take place accidentally in industrial locations where abrasive grinding and cutting wheels are used with ferrous metals. Using aluminium in this situation produces a mixture of oxides which is capable of a violent explosive reaction

Mixing water with thermite or pouring water onto burning thermite can cause a steam explosion, spraying hot fragments in all directions.


edit on 10-8-2015 by gmoneystunt because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 10 2015 @ 10:56 PM
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You can have both, and /or something else.
The technology and resources to pull off an event like 9/11 came from industry behind and beyond even US military.

We have seen evidence of gigantic beams cut precisely, as by a compound such as thermite.
We saw gigantic steel girders blown parallel to the ground for a distance of blocks.

I do not know what may have caused the buildings to be pulverized to dust before they hit the ground.



posted on Aug, 10 2015 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: samkent

Even mountain chains have eroded to bedrock. When will we understand that cannot does not exist? All things can and will happen. Chaos and order are one and the same. 911 was, is, and will be. On that day time ceased to exist, with all present. The human heart knows that without tragedy there is no empathy, and without love there is no hate. This is our condition.



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 12:04 AM
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*Sighs* More pointless 911 debate.

This picture says it all. END OF STORY!




posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 05:30 AM
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We have seen evidence of gigantic beams cut precisely, as by a compound such as thermite.
a reply to: ecapsretuo

You mean like this ........

sites.google.com...

sites.google.com...

So why is there a man with a torch sawing a beam in half if magic thermite would do it...???

sites.google.com...



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 05:34 AM
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originally posted by: bananashooter
a reply to: samkent

I am pretty sure thermite is considered a low explosive but I could be wrong. Also magnesium powder will explode and burn a little like themite.


It's an incendiary. It doesn't explode. At all.



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 05:35 AM
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originally posted by: gmoneystunt

Mixing water with thermite or pouring water onto burning thermite can cause a steam explosion, spraying hot fragments in all directions.



Didn't happen here, though.



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 05:37 AM
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originally posted by: ecapsretuo
You can have both, and /or something else.
The technology and resources to pull off an event like 9/11 came from industry behind and beyond even US military.

We have seen evidence of gigantic beams cut precisely, as by a compound such as thermite.


If it's that picture of a beam, it was cut using a torch. Thermite doesn't cut precisely. You're applying molten steel to something, it's not very exact.



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 06:42 AM
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Stay away from the rumours and stick to the facts you will be surprised

wheredidthetowersgo.com...



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: samkent

They can't offer proof, because there is none for either.
This has been debunked over and over again.

For Thermite/Thermate (they like to interchange the two) -
The one man who claimed to have found "evidence" actually didn't, his paper was trashed by every scientist in the field and although it was published on a pretty rubbish "science" website he claimed it was "peer reviewed", the person who owns that website then removed it and openly stated that it was trash.

The material he claimed was evidence of Thermite was actually nothing more than rust and pain chips, the same as you would find in billions of samples taken from all kinds of places around the world. When asked to supply the samples he used, he refused to.

The claim that evidence of Thermite being used in the buildings with "molten steel" flowing out is also false. There were tonnes upon tonnes of Aluminium used in the construction of both the plane and the building, which is orange when molten at the temperatures proven to have been in existence in that building, and anyone who tells you it doesn't glow orange is a flat out liar.

The supposed "glow" seen from beneath the rubble which "truthers" claim is evidence of Thermite having molten the steel was actually nothing more than the reflection of the camera mans flashlight when looking through that gap.

All tests after the fact have consistently shown that to melt steel to the degree they would have needed would have taken tonnes of Thermite, and there was frankly not enough physical space in those areas for such an amount to have been applied.

The image of cut beams they claim was evidence of Thermite melting the columns at an angle was a blatant fabrication, the image was taken AFTER the rescue effort was underway and was done by crews removing the debris.

As for Explosives, again there is absolutely no evidence for this.

They would need tonnes of explosives to be able to take out those columns, and I'm not talking lbs of it, I am literally talking TONNES of it. These people seem to imagine all it would take is a Hollywood style chunk of Plastic Explosive on a column, but that would not do it.

You would also need so much of the stuff it would be impossible to rig a building like those towers with enough to take them down.

All of the above is the reason the "truthers" then start to invent their own magical mystery formula for brand new explosives the world has never seen. When these people finally have their beliefs debunked through science, they start to become increasingly irrational in their weaving of the fairytale to rebuild their belief.

It's like the fanatical religious person ending up saying "the Lord works in mysterious ways" because they no longer have an argument to debate you with.

I can guarantee that most of the "truthers" answering to this thread will completely ignore the fact that whatever they claim is evidence has been debunked plenty of times. They refuse to accept that their conspiracy is not real and no matter how much you try to show them the real evidence and the actual reality of that day they will utterly reject it all - and ironically while claiming YOU are narrow minded and refuse to consider an alternative story.

The fact is, unless they can provide evidence for what they claim (and a YouTube video IS NOT evidence) then they should be repeatedly laughed out of the room.



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: SONOFTHEMORNING

Jenga?

Really?

I've seen a few of your posts today, and they're all equally ridiculous.

Besides the fact that you're comparing a table top kids game with a multi story building, how a Jenga tower is built is completely different to the WTC Towers, there is absolutely no comparison.



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: redchad




Stay away from the rumours and stick to the facts you will be surprised

wheredidthetowersgo.com...

There zero facts to support space beams.



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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You can't have both ? What kind of logic is that ? As far as I understand DemolitionDave explained that thermite has been used in demolitions for pre weakening purposes

www.internationalskeptics.com...

Jon Cole did some homegrown experiments with real time self made thermite devices. He succeeded. If he is able to do that with some simple stuff what would the real professionals be able to do?

Let me state that I don't know if it is used but if I was in charge then I would say "no half measures"
edit on 11-8-2015 by drommelsboef because: typo



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: drommelsboef




You can't have both ? What kind of logic is that ?

Truthers have claimed the sounds of explosions were caused by pre planted explosives.
But then say their proof is the thermite residue in the dust.
One doesn't go with the other.

Are you claiming that TPTB pre planted both explosives AND thermite charges?



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: Rocker2013

Frankly I am just content with the fact that their claims of people "waking up to the truth" are completely unfounded and if they were to go out into the real world away from ATS, they'd find that most people DO believe the official story.



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: samkent




Explosives won't leave micro spheres in the dust of 911.


I disagree. Care to add proof to your claim?



posted on Aug, 11 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: SONOFTHEMORNING
*Sighs* More pointless 911 debate.

This picture says it all. END OF STORY!


Are you SERIOUSLY comparing Jenga with the WTC?
I really didn't think the whole 911 conspiracy bs could be any more ridiculous, then you came along *facepalm*




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