originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: grandmakdw
Since your mind is firmly closed, I'll only answer briefly -
The Islamic State of Daesh (ISIS)
has killed far more Muslims than the "west"
But that's a lie. A rather obvious one.
I think it is important to acknowledge that the "west" is not
the only one responsible for the genocide of Muslims.
The Muslims are engaging in massive fratricide, genocide
which is far far worse than what the "west" has done,
because it is done in the name of Allah and Muhammad.
Anger is misplaced with the "west" when the Islamic State
and Al Qaeda have done so much damage to the Muslims.
This is not a lie. If you think it is a lie, prove me wrong.
Don't just say it is a lie after I posted proofs in my first posting on this thread.
I am posting more proof here.
"Who's killing Muslims?"
"Well, if spilling Muslim blood is the deciding factor
for us Muslims to decide who we should take vengeance against,
then al-Ansi and others in al Qaeda
should immediately go into hiding.
Simply put, al Qaeda has been slaughtering Muslims for years.
Islamic clerics, doctors, nurses, women, children, etc. --
you name any type of Muslim, and al Qaeda has butchered them.
In fact, a report released in 2009 by the Combating Terrorism Center
at West Point documented the people killed by al Qaeda
between 2004 and 2008.
It found that only 12% of the victims of al Qaeda were Westerners.
That suggests that al Qaeda has killed seven times
as many Muslims as non-Muslims.
And these attacks were just the ones
for which al Qaeda had publicly claimed responsibility.
A U.N. report released late last year found that ISIS
had killed thousands of Muslims -- both Sunni and Shia --
between July and September of that year.
This includes the slayings of three nurses in Mosul, Iraq,
because they refused to provide medical care to ISIS fighters.
ISIS also killed numerous Sunni imams
for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS,
and beheaded another Sunni leader for refusing to support the group.
And the reality is that that's truly what al Qaeda and ISIS are about.
They are not about the concept of "submit to Islam or die,"
as some have claimed.
It's submit to ISIS/al Qaeda or die.
Both organizations clearly don't care how many Muslims they kill. "
ISIS has killed over 9,000 Muslims in the past few years according to the UN.
"What did the UN find?
ISIS had “carried out attacks deliberately and systematically
targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure,
with the intention of killing and wounding civilians.”
The UN concluded that in the first eight months of 2014,
at least 9,347 civilians had been killed and
at least 17,386 wounded.
While all these deaths are not attributable to ISIS alone,
ISIS is identified as the primary actor.
(The report also documents what could be considered
war crimes committed by the Iraqi military.)
ISIS: Killing Shiites More Important Than Killing Jews
"The greatest answer to this question is in the Qur’an,
where Allah speaks about the nearby enemy –
those Muslims who have become infidels –
as they are more dangerous than those which were already infidels,”
(A quote from ISIS leadership on killing Muslims)
Sadistic jihadis fighting for the Islamic State in Syria
have brutally executed more than 3,000 people
over the past year, including 86 women and 74 children,
a new report has revealed.
Of the 3,027 people killed,
1,787 were civilians according to research
by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights,
which doesn't take into account murders
over the border in ISIS-held areas of Iraq.
Since claiming to have established a caliphate
in the Middle East last June,
the extremists have carried out a huge number of sickening public executions -
ranging from beheadings, shootings and stonings to crucifixions,
beatings and being pushed from the roofs of high buildings.
Lastly and most importantly:
"In a different perspective,
some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed
since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent,
died during the sixty years of fighting Israel,
or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities.
over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims."
These violent killings were not everyday murder,
but war type conflicts
and this total does not include the last two years,
see the posts above.
I have a feeling that you think you can say "you lie" because you know I am a woman,
if that is the case, hold the misogyny, I am right and you are rude.
edit on 7Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:47:17 -0500pm81108pmk112 by grandmakdw because: addition format