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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Velatropa24
I am not a shill and I always enjoy it when people who cant refute facts relies on it to divert peoples attention away from that fact.
There are plenty of documented incidents of Russia violating Sweden and Finland's airspace. All you need to do is google it and you will see the numerous reports confirming it. You would also find several other countries where Russia has violated sovereign airspace. Let me repeat that for you.. Violating sovereign airspace and NOT ADIZ.
* - Two Russian attack planes intentionally violated the Swedish airspace to probe local air defense
* - Russia violates Finnish airspace three times in a week
Your inability to engage facts is problematic as it allows you to hide from the truth while dismissing it. Surely since you believe you are correct and the info I post is wrong then you can link me to your sources that debunk the info.
* - PEW - Russia, Putin Held in Low Regard around the World 2015
originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: MrSpad
It is likely that if Russia is verging on economic disaster that a nationalist like Putin would engage in an all out war thus revamping his country.
originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: MrSpad
Armenia is never going to go 'west' with Russian Army stationed bang in the middle of the country plus all the business interests between the controlling elite. Armenia is totally integrated within Russia just like eastern Ukraine, Kazachstan, Belarus, etc.
Funny how no one cares anymore about your anti-Russia propaganda, other then the usual anti-Russia shills having a cry amongst themselves. Everyone knows who you are and what your agenda is, no one cares. Scraping the bottom of the barrell here. Very well, continue.
edit on 10-8-2015 by Velatropa24 because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Rocker2013
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A small number of ATS members, including myself, suggested from the beginning that Ukraine was not the end goal, that more would follow.........
How many other "soft targets" are there for Russia, before it meets a response from Nato?
Are little green men about to appear on the North Pole?
Russia's claim last week, using an extremely creative interpretation of international law, to exclusive economic rights to nearly half a million square miles of the Arctic Sea, was certainly a head scratcher.
Sure the territory is valuable due to its untapped reserves of fossil fuels and for the shipping lanes that will open as Arctic ice melts. But the claim is likely to ultimately be rejected by the United Nations.
At the same time, sparking a manufactured international crisis over the Arctic, one that pits Russia against the United States and Canada, might be just what the doctor ordered.
Why? Because Vladimir Putin badly needs to make a new action movie to distract his people.
The Kremlin leader is boxed in on so many fronts right now that he badly needs to change the subject.
originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: MrSpad
Perhaps but are these events not reminiscent? History doesn't repeat but it rhymes, who's to say he couldn't kill off any naysayers? Isn't is support by the population something like 90% surely that number is jacked up be even with a majority we have seen nationalists who are able to charasmaticly gather the hearts and minds and focus them on a common enemy and with economic disaster on the horizon this certainly seems possible. I am friends with a polish woman we talk often and she is very concerned with putins moves infact everyone is over there. She said she already has plans in the event another large scale move my Russia is made, and to head west. Im not saying it will happen and yes I hope it fizzles out if there's even a chance the gears start turning. We should still remain vigilant and I know the west is. Always appreciate your thoughts thanks brother.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
An interesting article talking about the very things we have been talking about for some time.
Putin is actually in serious trouble
Are little green men about to appear on the North Pole?
Russia's claim last week, using an extremely creative interpretation of international law, to exclusive economic rights to nearly half a million square miles of the Arctic Sea, was certainly a head scratcher.
Sure the territory is valuable due to its untapped reserves of fossil fuels and for the shipping lanes that will open as Arctic ice melts. But the claim is likely to ultimately be rejected by the United Nations.
At the same time, sparking a manufactured international crisis over the Arctic, one that pits Russia against the United States and Canada, might be just what the doctor ordered.
Why? Because Vladimir Putin badly needs to make a new action movie to distract his people.
The Kremlin leader is boxed in on so many fronts right now that he badly needs to change the subject.
Click link for remainder of article.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
originally posted by: Rocker2013
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A small number of ATS members, including myself, suggested from the beginning that Ukraine was not the end goal, that more would follow.........
How many other "soft targets" are there for Russia, before it meets a response from Nato?
and thus justify their position that "everyone is against us"......
As a tactic for getting a common enemy you have to admit that your proposed response falls right into their hands!
It also pays to remember that Russia is not and never has been a democracy or a civil society - their entire culture is inculcated with the power of a strong head of state - that is what they think is the natural order of things (in the most general of senses) and why Putin is so popular - a combination of nationalism, external threat, and strong leader seen as dealing with it all.
the only way I see to stop this is to call his bluff - to do the "fighting" by "proxy" - to ensure that Ukraine and Georgia and Chechyns are relatively well armed and able to keep sending Russian soldiers home in body bags.
It's expensive, and sucks to be in one of the border states - but unless you are going to mobilise 3+ million soldiers for a full blown invasion (and we know how well those work!!) the economic and social fallout in Russia is hat is going to stop Putin, if anything (IMO)
originally posted by: Velatropa24
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
originally posted by: Rocker2013
.......
A small number of ATS members, including myself, suggested from the beginning that Ukraine was not the end goal, that more would follow.........
How many other "soft targets" are there for Russia, before it meets a response from Nato?
and thus justify their position that "everyone is against us"......
As a tactic for getting a common enemy you have to admit that your proposed response falls right into their hands!
It also pays to remember that Russia is not and never has been a democracy or a civil society - their entire culture is inculcated with the power of a strong head of state - that is what they think is the natural order of things (in the most general of senses) and why Putin is so popular - a combination of nationalism, external threat, and strong leader seen as dealing with it all.
the only way I see to stop this is to call his bluff - to do the "fighting" by "proxy" - to ensure that Ukraine and Georgia and Chechyns are relatively well armed and able to keep sending Russian soldiers home in body bags.
It's expensive, and sucks to be in one of the border states - but unless you are going to mobilise 3+ million soldiers for a full blown invasion (and we know how well those work!!) the economic and social fallout in Russia is hat is going to stop Putin, if anything (IMO)
There we go, straight from an average American's mouth.
originally posted by: Wirral Bagpuss
Actually there ARE signs that the Russian people are getting concerned now about the actions of Putin. I cite the example of Putin ordering all western foods to be destroyed. This is a criminal waste of food. Russians are gathering a petition to present to Putin to reverse this policy to at least feed the homeless with the unwanted food rather than letting good food go to waste. Or indeed I would be inclined to ship it to disaster zones around the world.
There WILL be a revolution in Russia, it is a question of WHEN not IF. I think it may be a few years away yet as Putin has taken over the free press and media outlets. But it will happen eventually if Putin carries on like this and more and more body bags are flown home back to Russia from its excursions into foreign lands.
Oh and by the way did we ever find out what nationality that sub was which entered Swedish waters a few months back? May have been Norway thinking about it.