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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: makemap
China is not capitalist. It is still a communist dictatorship which allows mostly communist party members to apply for businesses which helps the communist party. In Cuba it is similar. Loyal communist party members are living in mansions, or really good houses, meanwhile the rest of the nation is in disarray.
Mothers who are expecting a female baby in China are forced to abort even if it is their first baby. Of course, there is the "1 child policy" so if a mother is expecting a second child it doesn't matter what sex it is, mothers are forced to abort. Many escape, or try to. If they are caught, they are imprisoned, and fined a lot more money than most Chinese make in a year.
Since the "1 child policy" was implemented in China suicide is the number 1 cause of death of young women in China.
vimeo.com...
There is still persecution against many religious people and groups in China. The communist party in China still suppresses religions to "limit the public influence of religions such as Christianity".
Chinese Persecution of Christians Reaches Highest Level in a Decade
China is not capitalistic, and neither is Cuba, nor North Korea. These dictatorships use capitalism to gain money and keep oppressing millions of people.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: makemap
Communism is where the government more or less owns everything for the "common good." It is called the workers paradise, but the workers have no real control as everything is controlled for the best interests of the state and the "common good" which are often billed as one and the same.
Fascism is where the government dictates how everything must be run, but individuals are allowed to own their own property so long as they use it at the state's command.
Both are tyranny and splitting hairs for that fact.
originally posted by: makemap
Look up the dictionary of a Community. Again, another person putting workers into the ideal. As I said before, the word has nothing to do with the workers. If you are going to do that, then your just better off calling it a Republic/Caste system. Government doesn't own everything in Communism. The people do based on ideology/culture, everything is for the public, not much private areas especially in companies or factories. Government is only there if needed to help keep the country intact. Laws that work for the people whom the entire community implements.
Capitalism, same thing. Only difference is the way the people live is extremely private in housing areas(not allowed to enter). Companies are also private, but work for the country and doesn't follow the Government much nor the public. More individually secret and not to be bothered with laws of "Do not enter".
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: ketsuko
The red scare is creeping up on 100 years.
Those commies sure are inefficient.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: makemap
I see your pretty little words, but in a "community" of 350 million who have by now all trained to belong to different competing ideology and identity groups, that's all they are - pretty little words.
The only way to enforce a real "commune" for the "greater good" on this society is to use a great deal of force, top to bottom, and more or less eliminate anyone and everyone who refuses to comply and enforce, brutally, the collective on everyone else who is too cowed to resist.
That's how it was done in the USSR, and that's how it was done in China, and that's how it's done in North Korea and that's how it's done in Cuba, and that's how it would be done here. To deny it is to play the part the power brokers refer to as the useful idiot. They play on your idealized notions of what you think you're getting to push for the implementation of the power they want and then when they have it, you'll be discarded, forcibly if necessary just like anyone else who refuses to comply.
And Bernie Sanders will fall on his face if he's elected. The mindset of the United States is "redistribution of wealth" - without the individual responsibility of creating that wealth. Take from the rich; give to the poor. What a concept! What happens when the rich disappear or simply stop producing?
originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: Isurrender73
That's the fundamental problem with trickle down socialism. At the top you must have a small group of dictatorial ideologues who have the means to enforce the rules of the "community".
I don't think anyone, no matter how intellectually gifted is worth as much as 25 other human beings. But I would accept such wealth disparity. A minimum wage of 20,000 and a maximum wage of 500,000 is far from communism.
Once a person reaches the cap, I promise another very intelligent individual will fill the role of spreading goods and services until they reach the cap as well. And this will continue until you have 2000 people at the wealth cap instead of one person making a billion.
How far from equality do you think we need to be? What number reflects intellectual superiority, or even mental determination and the will to excell at working harder than others? And remember I am against welfare but support social job creation, mostly in the environmental sector where we are currently lacking. So all able bodied people should work. How much inequality do you need to feel superior?
Add - Where have I argued that we are all equal or should be treated equally? I have only argued for humanity and civil liberties.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: makemap
You don't get it do you?
The kind of socialism and communism you want only and can only exist on paper and in theory. In the real world, it fails and becomes that pyramid scheme where the few at the top control all for the rest.
That you continue to blindly espouse it is why I label you a useful idiot. You just continue to blindly insist it's what we need and vote for policies that you are told will bring it about. But what you really do is usher in that pyramid scheme, and when the trap snaps shut and the gilding comes off the cage and you cry foul, you get removed just like those of us who fought you and the ones at the top all along.