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Socialism is Not a 4 Letter Word

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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus



He was not a friend to Capitalism


I made and edit quite some time ago to address that statement.

He was anti-capitalist but used capitalism to his benefit, including western money to fund wars and used his camps for industry to profit. It was a mutually beneficial relationship.



I can't wait to hear you refute this.


OK.

To people that have researched this topic, this quote is called "Red Bait".

At the time he made this speech, the Nazi party was receiving a lot of resistance, including physical violence, from socialists and communists and were having a hard time gaining support from workers groups. That speech was one of many who's purpose was to inflame and propagandize. He name-dropped the word socialism to get support from socialists.

That speech was designed to do many things, but Goebbles even wrote about this in his dairies and said they "deliberately sought out physical combat with the Reds".

That point is explained quite well in the John Toland book that contains that very quote.
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse



If you don't want to accept the written speeches by Hitler and his goons, here is a video showing a NAZI propaganda film which has subtitles in English.

At 2:46 you can start reading the subtitles, and then tell me that's not a socialist mantra.


Yes, it's propaganda to get the support from socialists that were being defiant against the Nazi ideology.

Again, it's PROPAGANDA!



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko



They didn't want to be seen as forcing people which means they were really all about forcing people.


But they didn't force anyone. They came willingly through the use of clever and effective propaganda. So your statement makes no sense whatsoever.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: greencmp

Cronies don't need government to have each others backs.


The free market solution is to not buy from them anymore, abstinence is an incredibly effective tool, far more effective than violence.

You can believe that if you want. If you have ever lived in a place where "might is right" you would see that your free market solution usually fails.


I think you are confusing chaos with freedom.

What you are describing is violent criminal assault which is relatively easy to deal with compared to entrenched corruption backed by the force of the most powerful state in history.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

Yes, it's propaganda to get the support from socialists that were being defiant against the Nazi ideology.

Again, it's PROPAGANDA!


It wasn't just propaganda... Hitler's youth included children of all classes... Same for all other Germans, which is why he called it a classless society. It wasn't just for propaganda.

BTW, even though Hitler did make some business with international financiers, why was it that he created the currency known as the Reich Marks?... He did it to break away from the international bankers, not to work with them.

The industrial production in Hitler's Germany was organized not for profit, but to produce what was necessary for the Germans and their war efforts. The Germans named it "Autarky".

Then there was the Reich Food estate, which implemented new farming policies and laws, which again were not implemented for profit, but was controlled to produce what was necessary for the German state.

All of the above and more, were leftist policies which controlled industry and banking.

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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
I think you are confusing chaos with freedom.

No, things under "stong" organizations can be quite orderly.


What you are describing is violent criminal assault which is relatively easy to deal with compared to entrenched corruption backed by the force of the most powerful state in history.

What I am saying is that it happens not whether it is or isn't more difficult to deal with.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
23 pages in.

I think most would agree by now that socialism is coming to the USSA.

But there are many that won't accept it, embrace it, like the proponents here.

I don't know what everyone is trying to prove here.

You want a bigger government.
You want a socialist government.

We get it.

You don't like individuality, personal responsibility, liberty and freedoms.

It's hard.

But fear not, the way things are going, you'll get your wish.


So you have a hard time refuting the arguments for socialism and so you resort to the drama queen tactics again.

C'mon man. I don;t think anyone here is advocating for a full-on socialist government. We understand there must be a mixture. The extremes of socialism and capitalism will not work. They have to coexist.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse



It wasn't just propaganda... Hitler's youth included children of all classes... Same for all other Germans, which is why he called it a classless society. It wasn't just for propaganda.


It was propaganda to get them at an early age to fold in to the Nazi ideology.

The Nazis are known for their propaganda and lies and now you are going to try and say that this speech was truth? The facts are out there. People who research this topic know it was propaganda because he was having issues with socialists.

Please do your homework.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Many times Venezuelans now have to wait in line 9 -10 hours to buy food products.



Well sounds like a repeat of communist Soviet Union....



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Name calling? Really?

Embrace your big government solutions.

I will always side for the individual and freedoms.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:20 PM
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Well one thing many "Idealists" like Hitler and Stalin and even Mao and Castro have in common is they are all skilled slayers of sheep, but when it comes to deer hunting, they fail.




posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

Well sounds like a repeat of communist Soviet Union....


Yep, it is what happens under the rationing of true socialism and communism.

Some of the worst famines of the 20th century occurred in socialist or communist countries. Such as the famines of the Soviet Union.


The Soviet Union’s ‘Great Famine’ between 1932 and 1933 may have resulted in the deaths of nine million people. The ‘Great Famine’ was a man-made affair and was introduced to attack a class of people – the peasants –who were simply not trusted byJoseph Stalin. There is little doubt that Joseph Stalin, the USSR’s leader, knew about this policy. He had once stated in front of others that given the opportunity he would have liked to have removed the whole Ukrainian peasant population of twenty million but that this was an impossible task.
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www.historylearningsite.co.uk...



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: introvert

Name calling? Really?

Embrace your big government solutions.

I will always side for the individual and freedoms.


I'm not calling names. I'm calling your words exactly what they are.....drama.

Enjoy the roads we paid for when your out and about next time.

You're welcome.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: introvert

We are talking about limited government at the federal which has nothing to do with municipal infrastructure.

Drama indeed!

(Just kidding)




posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
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The Nazis are known for their propaganda and lies and now you are going to try and say that this speech was truth? The facts are out there. People who research this topic know it was propaganda because he was having issues with socialists.

Please do your homework.


Then I guess you are going to claim that other socialists and communists who went after others who were also socialist and communist is only propaganda?...

You should follow your advice and "do some proper homework", because it is obvious you haven't done so.

i guess Stalin never eliminated any of his socialist and communist opponents...



...
This year is the fortieth anniversary of the death of Leon Trotsky.

On 20 August, 1940, Trotsky was struck a fatal blow with an ice-pick by Ramon Mercader, an agent sent to Mexico by Stalin's secret police (the GPU) to murder the exiled revolutionary—alongside Lenin, the leader of the October revolution, the founder and leader of the Red Army, and the co-founder of the Third, Communist International.
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www.marxist.net...

Do notice that the above comes from a Marxist website...

But according to introvert this cannot be true... Socialists and communists trying to kill each other when they had difference of opinion?...

Throughout history there are many, many examples of socialists and communists having conflicts and even murdering other socialists and communists... It is a common theme when it comes to those ideologies.

In "the name of the revolution" leftists have also found death if their ideas conflicted with those of leftist with more power.

In Cuba is it a known fact, although most Cubans will not say it out loud, that castro was the one who ordered the death of Camilo Cienfuegos. Because Camilo was more popular than fidel amongts the people.


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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: introvert

We are talking about limited government at the federal which has nothing to do with municipal infrastructure.

Drama indeed!

(Just kidding)



Half of the funds used to build and fix roads come from federal funds.

You're welcome.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

Half of the funds used to build and fix roads come from federal funds.

You're welcome.


Errr...taxes are not always socialist in nature... It depends on the form of tax being implemented...

You are welcomed...



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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But according to introvert this cannot be true... Socialists and communists trying to kill each other when they had difference of opinion?...


I never said anything of the sort. You're trying to conflate the issue because you asked me to respond to that specific quote, and it is known that the speech he gave was propaganda to draw the socialists in closer. They were resisting his movement.

Of course socialists and communists have fought against one another. That is not the issue here.

The issue is that you tried, in a snarky and arrogant way, to use a known piece of propaganda as proof of your assertion.

Now can you address the issue? Did not Goebbles admit in his diary that that speech was a work of genius propaganda and did not the very author of the book written in 1944 that this quote is taken from explain that this speech was exactly as I described?
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: introvert

Half of the funds used to build and fix roads come from federal funds.

You're welcome.


Errr...taxes are not always socialist in nature... It depends on the form of tax being implemented...

You are welcomed...


Oh, so now there are socialist taxes and capitalist taxes? Taxes are collected and used to benefit the public good. Those dollars are used to pay people that provide a service or product for the common good.

Taxation is socialist.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: introvert

We are talking about limited government at the federal which has nothing to do with municipal infrastructure.

Drama indeed!

(Just kidding)



Half of the funds used to build and fix roads come from federal funds.

You're welcome.


The interstates are federal but fall under the umbrella of the military.

All federal funds should be state funds, that 16th amendment again. Why does the state have to thank the feds for returning some of the resources it took from their citizens?

It's also worth pointing out that most of the infrastructure precedes most of our lives so, it really is our parents and grandparents that we have to thank.

Don't get me wrong, Hitler did have at least one good idea.







 
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