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Socialism is Not a 4 Letter Word

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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

The NAZI ideology also grew from socialism. if you look at the programs implemented by Hitler they were socialist. Just like Mussolini's Italy.

The term NAZI comes from National Socialist(Nationalsozialismus). I bolded socialism in German so you can see that NAZI ideology was socialist.




posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You can't rely on people's descriptions of themselves. If the Nazis are socialists because they used the word socialist, then the Nazis are from Northern India because they used the word Aryan.

In Socialism, government owns industry. In fascism, industry owns government. Mussolini outright said it was better termed "corporatism".



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen
A Progressive income tax is one of the planks of Marx's Communist Manifesto, so actually the true goal of communism is that everyone pays what they are able and the wealthy get sacked.
Socialism is an intermediary bridge between Capitalism and Communism. Marx and Lenin both said it.
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

The NAZI ideology also grew from socialism. if you look at the programs implemented by Hitler they were socialist. Just like Mussolini's Italy.

The term NAZI comes from National Socialist(Nationalsozialismus). I bolded socialism in German so you can see that NAZI ideology was socialist.


This is an often repeated misnomer. The Nazi brand of "socialism" was not in reference or pertaining to an economic model. It was the term used to describe the unity of the "community" or German people as a whole collective (Volksgemeinschaft).

Nazi ideology was anti-capitalist AND anti-communist, and presented itself as a better solution to Marxist theories and run amok capitalism at the hand of the Jews.

Keep that in mind when referencing socialism and the Nazis. Socialism was used to describe the German people's collective, not the economy.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: The Vagabond
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You can't rely on people's descriptions of themselves. If the Nazis are socialists because they used the word socialist, then the Nazis are from Northern India because they used the word Aryan.

In Socialism, government owns industry. In fascism, industry owns government. Mussolini outright said it was better termed "corporatism".



Yes he did.

Nazism is an offshoot of fascism and they despised economic socialists and communists.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Yup




posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: introvert

according to "history".




posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Hitler was definitely a socialist. Just because he put a few communist in the camps means very little. They were just opposed to his ideal. Remember at that time there was some dissension between communists and socialists and between national and international socialists. If you read some of his stuff you will see the socialist ideology embedded. If one is going to be honest with oneself that is. Progressives of that era did embrace many of the things he embraced, such as depopulation and eugenics. Just look at Margaret Sanger and the tribe of Progressives of that era... look at Wilson.
Also remember that Hitler sought to invade various countries, including the Russian front. The US was also allied with Russia against Hitler. Was this because the US agreed with Russia's communistic ideals? Nope, it was because Hitler represented a threat to other nations. Remember when General Patton tried to expose the communism of Russia? That was before the gulags in Russia were exposed. It took Alexsander Solzhenitsyn to bring it out into the open.
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:15 PM
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Left ists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism

Marx’s error, Hitler believed, had been to foster class war instead of national unity – to set workers against industrialists instead of conscripting both groups into a corporatist order. His aim, he told his economic adviser, Otto Wagener, was to “convert the German Volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists” – by which he meant the bankers and factory owners who could, he thought, serve socialism better by generating revenue for the state. “What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish,” he told Wagener, “we shall be in a position to achieve.”



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:26 PM
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I am not relying on just what they called themselves but the policies they implemented.

Hitler forced business people to do what he wanted "for the betterment of the fatherland". If you were a business person and didn't do what Hitler and his thugs wanted you would lose that business.

Hitler's youth is another of the many examples of socialism working in Germany at the time.

Here is for example an old German propaganda archive from Hitler Youth Handbook.

research.calvin.edu...

Too many people make the mistake of believing that because Hitler went after certain leftists that he wasn't one. But the same can be said of other leftists like Lenin, Stalin who went after both Lenin and Trostky. Trotsky even wrote about Stalin sending goons to kill him. They both were extreme leftists. Even in Cuba, and other socialist/communist nations the leaders have ordered the murder of other leftists because they were seen as a threat to the power of those leftists in control.

As for Mussolini, he only differed in his view that working WITH corporations was better than working against them, but it was still a socialist system.

Here is a bit of history about Mussolini's socialist ideals and how he implemented many of those socialist ideals to Italy.

www.historyinanhour.com...



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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:26 PM
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Collectivism is a four letter word. From there, it really all comes down to which way you want to be screwed. Because you will never be allowed to be a free individual in any society. And they're ALL collectivist.

Socialism/communism/fascism/etc just happen to be the main ones (so far) that have dropped all pretenses of limited government and just used brute force whenever they came up against a problem they knew would be tedious to solve. So I like to say socialists are just pathological collectivists who are in a hurry.
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I do not exaggerate when I say that I've read and studied the Nazis more than most people....including researchers.

One of the first things done by Hitler and the party was to outlaw labor unions and they began to arrest and execute socialists and communists. They were considered a bigger threat than even the Jews. The Dachau concentration camp was where most of the communists and Leftists were sent.

Hitler was funded by conservative elitists in his party's rise to power as well.

So yes, let's be honest and do our research. There is plenty of info out there.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

The NAZI ideology also grew from socialism. if you look at the programs implemented by Hitler they were socialist. Just like Mussolini's Italy.

The term NAZI comes from National Socialist(Nationalsozialismus). I bolded socialism in German so you can see that NAZI ideology was socialist.


Of course NAZI policies were Socialist. It's built into their very name. But National Socialism is a long way from regular Socialism. It's an extreme version.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: introvert

police military and firemen isnt a socialist thing, it's something we all benefit from and use while taking from my paycheck directly so that some guy who snuck in to the country can have something for free is socialist. (because he just wants to work)



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I do not exaggerate when I say that I've read and studied the Nazis more than most people....including researchers.

One of the first things done by Hitler and the party was to outlaw labor unions and they began to arrest and execute socialists and communists. They were considered a bigger threat than even the Jews. The Dachau concentration camp was where most of the communists and Leftists were sent.

Hitler was funded by conservative elitists in his party's rise to power as well.

So yes, let's be honest and do our research. There is plenty of info out there.


Hitler was almost exclusively funded by Jewish bankers at the Bank of England, without whom he never would have been able to wage war.

Makes you really wonder about their true agenda?



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: babybunnies


Of course NAZI policies were Socialist. It's built into their very name. But National Socialism is a long way from regular Socialism. It's an extreme version.


All true socialist or communist systems are extreme in nature.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

And your criticism would be valid if ... Venezuela had a capitalist society, but it demonstrably does not. In Venezuela, the anarchy comes from the failure of socialism.



No. In Venezuela, their problems come from a failed dictatorship.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: babybunnies

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I do not exaggerate when I say that I've read and studied the Nazis more than most people....including researchers.

One of the first things done by Hitler and the party was to outlaw labor unions and they began to arrest and execute socialists and communists. They were considered a bigger threat than even the Jews. The Dachau concentration camp was where most of the communists and Leftists were sent.

Hitler was funded by conservative elitists in his party's rise to power as well.

So yes, let's be honest and do our research. There is plenty of info out there.


Hitler was almost exclusively funded by Jewish bankers at the Bank of England, without whom he never would have been able to wage war.

Makes you really wonder about their true agenda?


He had many ties to corporate powers and was a friend to capitalism. His concentration camps weren't designed to murder masses of people, they were designed to be labor camps for private industry such as IG Farben at Auschwitz.

He also had ties to J. Edgar Hoover whom was a rabid anti-socialist/communist.

ETA: I shouldn't say that he was a friend to capitalism. He surrounded himself with the favor of capitalists to help fund his wars.
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posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: babybunnies


Of course NAZI policies were Socialist. It's built into their very name. But National Socialism is a long way from regular Socialism. It's an extreme version.


All true socialist or communist systems are extreme in nature.


And there in lies the problem. Too many people associate socialism with, when they're two very different systems.

Socialism is left of center politically. It's NOT an extreme system.

If you've ever worked a 40 hour week (or for paid overtime), taken vacation, had a health care plan at work, enjoyed work place safety, worked for something more than minimum wage, and many other workplace benefits, you're benefitting DIRECTLY from the policies of Socialism.

If you're benefitting from the system, then you're a hypocrite for criticizing it.



posted on Aug, 9 2015 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

He also had ties to J. Edgar Hoover whom was a rabid anti-socialist/communist.


If this is the case JEH apparently did a lousy job at being rabidly anti-communist.



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