Socialism is Not a 4 Letter Word

a reply to: ketsuko

I agree with most of your post.

We the people need more power to change failing social programs. The amount we spend per child verse the education they receive is asinine.

Way too many executives sitting on there a$$es in offices, not enough money going to the children and teachers.

We need the ability to hire independent contractors to recreate the infrastructure and eliminate much of the redundancy in bureaucratic office positions with the use of technology. Something the capitalist world has done for years.

Much of the labor involved in social programs could be eliminated by moving the government into the age of technology. The amount of paperwork pushers who are doing nothing but simple work that could be digitized is enormous.

The government is famous for wasting taxpayers money. Which is why we the people need more transparency and more control to make changes.

a reply to: onequestion

It was once explained to me that when inflation is high and interest is low, borrowing money is making a profit.

a reply to: crazyewok

But Europe has high poverty.

a reply to: Isurrender73

The problem is that the more control you give government, the less control you have of the system and what you can do with it.

Socialism and the systems it sets up to make sure that everything is "fair" breeds bureaucracy like we are seeing in the school system.

Look at what happened in the VA. Was anyone actually disciplined over it? No. Were any changes made? No. Instead, people made angry noises and bureaucrats were shuffled, but no real changes were made. This is how socialism in practice operates. The people do not have control and they lose the power to remove themselves from the abuse.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: greencmp

I'm pretty sure cronyism existed before socialist economic policies.

You are correct, mercantilism and feudalism are the first that come to mind.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: onequestion

It was once explained to me that when inflation is high and interest is low, borrowing money is making a profit.

So, why would anyone lend?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Isurrender73

The problem is that the more control you give government, the less control you have of the system and what you can do with it.

Socialism and the systems it sets up to make sure that everything is "fair" breeds bureaucracy like we are seeing in the school system.

Look at what happened in the VA. Was anyone actually disciplined over it? No. Were any changes made? No. Instead, people made angry noises and bureaucrats were shuffled, but no real changes were made. This is how socialism in practice operates. The people do not have control and they lose the power to remove themselves from the abuse.

And one thing is for sure. Americans don't need a bunch of g'ment tit-sucking socialist bureaucrats running OUR show. Have you ever walked into a big government agency office in a big metropolitan city and looked around!?

a reply to: queenofswords

A democratic government or corporations cobtrol the flow of products into the community especially since they don't need us to make or buy them anymore anyway.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Isurrender73

The problem is that the more control you give government, the less control you have of the system and what you can do with it.

Socialism and the systems it sets up to make sure that everything is "fair" breeds bureaucracy like we are seeing in the school system.

Look at what happened in the VA. Was anyone actually disciplined over it? No. Were any changes made? No. Instead, people made angry noises and bureaucrats were shuffled, but no real changes were made. This is how socialism in practice operates. The people do not have control and they lose the power to remove themselves from the abuse.

Pardon the inordinate Sowell quotes but, he is just that good.

"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."

-Thomas Sowell

a reply to: ketsuko

The people do not have control and they lose the power to remove themselves from the abuse.

Funny it seems you're describing today's political system in the US of A. No rich enough and you do not have control and they lose the power to remove themselves from the abuse.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

They just don't know what they are fighting for. They have no idea that they are about to be replaced by machines and rendered useless.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: crazyewok

But Europe has high poverty.

So does America.

Mexico and below are practically third world.


EUROPE IS NOT ONE BIG COUNTRY.

I think we need smaller government.. I remember things better economically back when we had smaller government and less regulations etc.

It is all a farce anyhow just look at how the bankers got away with murder in 2008..

Why not just have less government...

I would rather have less government, I like having a republic for making decisions but I think we need to clean the house and senate out.. Making lobbyism illegal and have a volunteer guard system to keep them out.. I also think having career senators, and congressmen and women, is a horrible idea and is part of the problem in our federal government. That needs to be rescinded immediately.. Yet what do I know..

In any case none of that will happen...

I see with this generation socialism being ushered in..

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: mahatche

Your argument is fallaciously inverted.

We despise cronyism which is the product of socialist economic policies.

Are you really implying that socialists are the ones who oppose protective regulations? The corporations who threaten to leave America if they have to pay taxes are socialist? The people defending economic inequality are socialists? The people who created the "greed is good" mantra are socialists? The socialists are speaking against these trade deals, and want to raise minimum wage, and they are accused of cronyism?

You can't rant about income redistribution, while also claiming they favor the crony capitalists, it doesn't work both ways.

Do you know anything about socialism or is it just a bad word you all the worlds problems to?

What you call "protective regulations" is ordinarily called protectionism and it is most definitely socialist, counter-productive, and even destructive.

Corporations and people who "threaten" to leave a country that doesn't respect private property or individual rights are not socialists, I don't understand that comment.

The only group that consistently opposes these so-called "trade deals" or "free trade agreements" is libertarians. Free trade only requires the absence of state interference, it does not benefit from it.

"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money."

-Thomas Sowell

In your first response to me you said socialists are responsible for crony capitalism. So I list some of the problems that exist with in crony capitalism, and now you say "that's not socialism" so how exactly are the people who favor taxes, regulations, and reduced income inequality, compatible with crony capitalists then?

You're the one who called my post a fallacy then blamed it on socialists.

I'm not a socialist, but I can see that capitalism is not immune to spiraling out of control. There has to be some checks and balances. The idealism of libertarians would be nice if lived in a utopia, but we don't and historically every time we've deregulated to that extent we've seen massive problems.

That's a cute quote, but ff it's greed that causes people to send my jobs over seas then yes I'm against greed. If it's greed that opposes protections like glass stegall because bankers want to gamble with my money at no risk to their own, then yes I'm against greed. I'm against companies who take all of our hard earned money, but refuse to contribute to the society that made their success possible. I know in libertarian utopia everything in the country pays for it's self, but in the real world taxes are necessary and everyone should have to pay. There is no reason for these corporations to pay zero taxes, while also sending jobs over seas.

The greed is good mantra was created by assholes like Gordon Gecko, what have they done to benefit you? Crony capitalism makes it harder to compete by definition. They use their connections to buy favor against their competition.

I like capitalism, i just don't like the corrupted version of it.

a reply to: crazyewok

Half of America is 3rd world. Just because there is a Macdonalds doesn't make it 1st world.

a reply to: greencmp

So, why would anyone lend?

First I will add into the context the question I answered:

quote from member - onequestion

Inflation is about to go off the charts anyaay isn't it?

Why hasn't the Fed raised interests rates yet?

my answer to onequestion

It was once explained to me that when inflation is high and interest is low, borrowing money is making a profit.

my answer to you:
The FED is always there to help their affluent friends make more money.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: ketsuko

The people do not have control and they lose the power to remove themselves from the abuse.

Funny it seems you're describing today's political system in the US of A. No rich enough and you do not have control and they lose the power to remove themselves from the abuse.

Ok, so I won't deny the system is abusive, but what you don't see is that making it more socialist will not remove that problem. It will only make it worse.

I think if you read my post about the education system, I cited that very thing. I've been using the education system as my model since it is one almost 100% nationally controlled, socialized system in this country.

It is failing and abusive, and you cannot escape it unless you have enough money to do so.

And yet, you think you will destroy that by giving the same system and people MORE power and control?

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Isurrender73

And who will implement this "fully transparent" government?

The government?

A government, especially a socialist one, is the antithesis of transparency.

I am not saying it will come to fruition without revolution.

But the only to overthrow the current Facisist Corpocracy is a revolution regardless of your political ideology.

And you wonder why we refer to Red October.

a reply to: ketsuko

I see your point, as long as there are those that are rich, filthy rich, no form of government could possibly be without corruption.

I agree!

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: crazyewok

Half of America is 3rd world. Just because there is a Macdonalds doesn't make it 1st world.

Look im trying to keep things simple for poor xuen, dont want to melt his brain now do we?

Im just trying to finally teach him Europe is not one big country.