Socialism is Not a 4 Letter Word

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: greencmp
originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: greencmp

No i meant distribution. Scientists make technological advances. The capitalist is the one to profit off the distribution of technology.

Sometimes the scientists is also the capitalist.

But some men like Tesla envisioned free energy for all. And who knows what inventions the FBI seized from his apartment when he died a poor man.

Wow, just wow.

I really don't know what to say to that.

And you say that you were an economist?

I have no idea what your point is.

Tesla is the one who envisioned AC current. But he died a poor man. So someone other than the scientist distributed the idea for profit.

Tesla died a poor man, but the capitalists who came to own his technology became billionaires without inventing anything.

Again, I have no idea what your point is. And I have provided you with an example to prove mine.

Besides the fact that Tesla was a capitalist and business owner (though a remarkably terrible one), there have been many technological developments since the invention of alternating current.

All of them have been by inventors, not "scientists".

I get the impression that you envision practical technological invention and discovery as Geordi LaForge in the engine room experimenting with injection mixology in the big blue "reactor".



Make it so!

So what is the master solution to all the poverty in the big cities that have the majority of recipients of financial assistance programs?

Why has all that failed for decades?

originally posted by: beezzer
I don't think Marx and Lenin and their supporters envisioned the USSR either.

But it's failure is now known.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: CB328

these systems always produce an elite political class who still gets to live like kings while the masses starve

That's bogus, no one's starving in Europe. In fact a lot of Europeans have a better quality of life than many Americans.

Poverty rates are high in Europe.

google it.

Depends what parts ....

Yes, and collectively it's high.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: beezzer
I don't think Marx and Lenin and their supporters envisioned the USSR either.

But it's failure is now known.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So we don't repeat the mistakes of the past?

No-one is corrupt in government? because, we all now how poorly corrupt government turns out.


(laughs)

originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: mahatche

Your argument is fallaciously inverted.

We despise cronyism which is the product of socialist economic policies.

Are you really implying that socialists are the ones who oppose protective regulations? The corporations who threaten to leave America if they have to pay taxes are socialist? The people defending economic inequality are socialists? The people who created the "greed is good" mantra are socialists? The socialists are speaking against these trade deals, and want to raise minimum wage, and they are accused of cronyism?

You can't rant about income redistribution, while also claiming they favor the crony capitalists, it doesn't work both ways.

Do you know anything about socialism or is it just a bad word you all the worlds problems to?

What you call "protective regulations" is ordinarily called protectionism and it is most definitely socialist, counter-productive, and even destructive.

Corporations and people who "threaten" to leave a country that doesn't respect private property or individual rights are not socialists, I don't understand that comment.

The only group that consistently opposes these so-called "trade deals" or "free trade agreements" is libertarians. Free trade only requires the absence of state interference, it does not benefit from it.

"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money."

-Thomas Sowell

a reply to: beezzer

Repeat what mistakes? The US has never been communist.

What I said is simple. People who support socialism are not neecesarily aiming as far left as the USSR.

No need to be so melodramatic.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: CB328

these systems always produce an elite political class who still gets to live like kings while the masses starve

That's bogus, no one's starving in Europe. In fact a lot of Europeans have a better quality of life than many Americans.

Poverty rates are high in Europe.

google it.

Depends what parts ....

Yes, and collectively it's high.

You honestly have no idea what your talking about.

Here is a tip.....dont get all your info from fox news.

Europe is a diverse place (ITS NOT EVEN ONE #ING COUNTRY!). You cant paint it with the same brush anymore than I can paint the entire American continent with the same brush,


Butyou continue to wallow in your own ignorance......makes good star bait for you and the other fox "NU's" crowd.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: beezzer

What a melodramatic bunny.

I don't think anyone want's to try USSR 2.0

I don't think Marx and Lenin and their supporters envisioned the USSR either.

We have the technology to monitor our government like never before.

The USSR became Fascist because Elitist gained control. And communism failed because it does not provide motivation to the workforce.

We have the technology to prevent the corruption you are afraid of.

We finally have the technology to create a 100% transparent form of government. And the technology itself dictates a need for a balance between socialism and capitalism.

We don't need to fear elitism if we the people monitor all the activities of those we have elected to represent us.

We will destroy the fascist corpocracy by making sure that all laws are subject to a popular vote, completely eliminating the ability of our elected leaders to make laws or enter trade agreements that we the people have not had a chance to vote on.

For the first time in history it is possible to have a government run by the majority. Our elected leaders will suggest changes in the law, but ultimately they will have to turn the vote over to the people.

Some laws may not pass in all states. And this too is good. Because it allows us to monitor the effectiveness of the new laws verses continuing under the old laws.

A fully transparent, fully monitored government is not utopian, it is a real possibility. 100 years ago this would have sounded utopian, but today it is plausible progressive ideology.

The trouble is that most Americans seem to equate Socialism with Communism, and think they're the same thing.

Poorly educated, easily swayed low information voters is the largest problem in America today.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: beezzer

Repeat what mistakes? The US has never been communist.

What I said is simple. People who support socialism are not neecesarily aiming as far left as the USSR.

No need to be so melodramatic.

Regardless of where their "aim" is, that is where we're headed.

So many people spouting off their opinions on why our current system which even the blind can see is not working should be kept in play, rather than change to something better.


Quoting Beezer

Inflation will be rampant, my standard of living will decrease..

Poor bunny, you would still be better off than a lot of people are today.

a reply to: Isurrender73

And who will implement this "fully transparent" government?

The government?

A government, especially a socialist one, is the antithesis of transparency.

a reply to: babybunnies

With all due respect, I believe it is quite the other way around.

How you could not recognize that socialism has many differing incarnations, one of which being communism, the absolute form, is puzzling.

Please do read all the various socialists as well as the counter arguments from economists before making such statements.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: beezzer

Repeat what mistakes? The US has never been communist.

What I said is simple. People who support socialism are not neecesarily aiming as far left as the USSR.

No need to be so melodramatic.

Again, what part of involuntary and forced don't you get?

Voluntary socialism is fine, but look at how crappy the public schools are, and yet, we are more or less forced into them. Is that fair or right? How can we unwind ourselves from that system? The answer is that you can't unless you are wealthy enough to afford to unwind yourself from it, and that creates the two class perception of haves and have-nots.

How many of the elites are you going to find sending their children to public schools?

You do realize that per child, many failing public school systems spend easily as much per student as a parent would have to fork over in a year in tuition for a much, much better private school in their same area? So if the only difference is the money, why can't the public schools get it done? And why are we trapping people in there? For their own good? What's so good about it?

When socialist systems start to fail and people are trapped by force into those failing systems, that's when it becomes a large problem.

a reply to: greencmp

Scientists/Inventors- semantics

And Tesla thought electricity should be free.

Free electricity for all did not come from the mind of a capitalist, free energy is a very socialist ideology.

a reply to: Isurrender73
It came from the mind of someone who had a better vision for humanity.

Socialism capitalism are just ideas, and # ideas at that. We need a blend of the ideas in order for this world to work.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: greencmp

Scientists/Inventors- semantics

And Tesla thought electricity should be free.

Free electricity for all did not come from the mind of a capitalist, free energy is a very socialist ideology

When I said we could postpone the semantic discussion about the definition of fascism, I didn't mean that it was superfluous, just that it was tedious. You do still need to understand these terms.

I am aware of his concept of broadcast electricity but, if he thought it would be free, who did he think would generate it?

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Isurrender73

And who will implement this "fully transparent" government?

The government?

A government, especially a socialist one, is the antithesis of transparency.

I am not saying it will come to fruition without revolution.

But the only to overthrow the current Facisist Corpocracy is a revolution regardless of your political ideology.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Inflation is about to go off the charts anyaay isn't it?

Why hasn't the Fed raised interests rates yet?