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Who would win in a startrek starwars war.

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posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 03:57 PM
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trekkies versus SW geeks..............too bad i'm not either.

no bad feelings intended.




posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 09:31 PM
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Again. Think about it.

A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

The Empire got wiped by Mark Hamill.

This guy...


THIS GUY!!!


Put the bag of paint down ya huffers. Empire already got pwned. It's over. Beat. By a poof a long, long time ago... thus the introduction.

Federation wins every time, is in the future, and watches old Star Wars DVD's on the Holodeck and laughs at the bad costuming and stick fight sequences of Wars, Empire and Return of Jedi.

You know, the one with all the cutesy patootsie teddy bear ewoks.



Don't get me wrong. I grew up on the first trilogy. Loved it!!! But by the third, even I was embarrassed to be in that theatre as a teenager. Lame.

The news ones? Suck. My 8 year old nephew likes them though.


Jar Jar? Enough said.

But still it's the semantics of it all. Those new ones are even more in the past as prequels. Point being Empire already got beat. Federation persists.


Roddenberry is beyond fantasy. It's a political statement and hope for mankind's FUTURE. We don't aspire to be light saber warriors that believe in a Force. That's just so...Republican.


We aspire to the progresive, utopian, socialist, perfectly peaceful yet militarily mighty future of a scientific and artistic Federation of humanoids led by EARTH.

BooooYa! And a nice sumer home on Reise.



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 10:26 PM
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Bottom line is this doesn't need batteries.


Apologies to those that enjoy the original.




Odd

posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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I really don't think the Federation's war machine is big or efficient enough to take on the Empire.

Besides, the Federation has a massive bureacracy at its helm, whereas the Empire answers only to the current Sith Lord... and they don't have a Prime Directive.

Now, in a one-on-one confrontation between leaders, I think that Kirk or even Picard might be able to take Vader or Palpatine-- keep in mind that they've dealt with Q, the Borg Queen, the evil clone guy in Nemesis, and a whole lot of pissed-off Klingons.

In terms of the might of armies, I'd have to say the Empire would emerge victorious, though.

Good thread idea, btw

[edit on 12/30/2004 by Odd]



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by RANT
Again. Think about it.

A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

The Empire got wiped by Mark Hamill.

This guy...


Okay. Fair enough but the Empire had a better budget. I submit for evidence Captian Kirk working the night shift as a security officer to make ends meet...

" Come on out Vader...We have you surrounded."


"Calm down Spock. It's me. I had to take up a second job as a security officer since the Federation cut their budget."



[edit on 31-12-2004 by dbates]



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 10:06 AM
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Let's compare the two strongest capital ships that each side has.





VS




Let's take a look at the armants as well.

Ffederation Ship:

Mass 230
Cost 767
Hull 70 (Average)
Thrust 5
FTL
4 Fire Controls
Level 2 Screens
5 Class 3 Beam Batteries (FP/F/FS, F/FP/AP, F/FS/AS, A/AP/FP, A/AS/FS)
4 Pulse Torpedoes (2xF/FP, 2xF/FS)
2 Mass Passenger space (Admiral's quarters)

Therefor they have only 5 laser batteries, and 4 torpedo launchers. To be fair we will look at the armant of a regular Stardestroyer.

Empire:

Scale:Capital
Length:1,600 meters
Crew:Skeleton: 5,000; Total crew: 37,085
Passengers:9,700 (troops)
Cargo Capacity:36,000 metric tons
Consumables:6 years
Hyperdrive Multiplier:x2
Hyperdrive Backup:x8
Nav Computer:Yes
Atmosphere:These things don't go near atmosphere
Weapons:60 Laser Cannons; 60 Ion Cannons; 10 Tractor Beam Projectors
In addition to its weaponry, an Imperial Star Destroyer carries one wing of 72 TIE starfighters, a full stormtrooper division, 20 AT-AT (All-Terrain Armored Transport) and 30 AT-ST (All-Terrain Scout Transport) walkers.

There we 25,000 of these babies in use during the Galactic Civil War before the vents of ROTJ, therefore the Federation not only would be crushed by ten of these they would'nt stand a chance against the entire empire. Plus correct me if I am wrong the Federation did not control any planets, it was an alliance of sort. The Empire owned hundreds of planets, and gained a lot of tax money from them.



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 12:02 PM
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Sorry to say this (manly because you are helping my argument) but fed ships have phasers not lasers and the most powerful ship is not the galaxy glass but the would be either the sovereign, Prometheus, or defiant.

But any way a single shot from a starwars fighter (slave 1 not an xwing which for some reason is much weaker) is more powerful than a photon torpedo (the standard torpedo for startrek).


Odd

posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 12:49 PM
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Keep in mind that Slave One was a highly customized and more or less unique ship; surely an X-Wing or TIE fighter doesn't have that kind of power.



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 01:11 PM
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cHEWbaca would rip worfs arms off,





For the record i'm a star trek fan , but seriously speaking the Empire would win out big time.

[edit on 31-12-2004 by bordnlazy]



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by bordnlazy
cHEWbaca would rip worfs arms off,


And Data would tear Chewie a new one.


JM, while I might agree with your assessment of those ships, I don't think the Empire could handle these ones:




What? Can't see it? That's right, cloaked.

Gotta love those Klingons.



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 02:07 PM
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OK, let's get serious. This will end the discussion




OR




End of story.



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 03:12 PM
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So who would fight who?

Worf Vs Chewbaca
Data vs darth vader Or C3po?
Captain kirk Vs Han solo
Seven of nine Vs Princess Lea
Jordie or quark vs Lando
wesley crusher vs luke skywalker
tribbles vs Ewoks

Or they could just dismember and sacrifice Jar Jar Binks and Wesley crusher in the name of peace



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by bordnlazy
cHEWbaca would rip worfs arms off,


And Data would tear Chewie a new one.


JM, while I might agree with your assessment of those ships, I don't think the Empire could handle these ones:




What? Can't see it? That's right, cloaked.

Gotta love those Klingons.


, but this is the Federation vs the Empire. Plus they had some cloaking technology as well.

But space battles aside, what land force does the Federation have if any at all? They would be crushed if the Empire invaded Earth or any planet allied with them.



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by bordnlazy
Seven of nine Vs Princess Lea


Could they just mud wrestle instead? Is it just me or is it getting hot in here?



posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by bordnlazy
Seven of nine Vs Princess Lea


Could they just mud wrestle instead? Is it just me or is it getting hot in here?


Your right that's a much better idea!!!!!



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 02:30 PM
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Bottom line is that if the Empire couldn't handle the Rebellion, how could they the Federation and it's allies? That includes the Klingons.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 02:33 PM
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I hate to disagree with you on this one Intrepid but if you just look at weapons the empire would TRASH the Fed. I saw a good article about this and will try to find and post the link.

This is not it but a good one none the less

www.stardestroyer.net...

The other was a head to head match up of troops heavy weapons, light weapons, (how the heck do you aim a Phaser?) and such.

I will keep looking

[edit on 2-1-2005 by Amuk]



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 02:58 PM
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www.st-v-sw.net...
I would go with Star Trek winning a fight. Its not the quanity, its the quality.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by bordnlazy
Definetly the empire would win, they were so massage they took a up a galaxy, they had fully formed armies, actual fleets with fighters, And don't forget the FORCE!!!!!!!!!!!!! the federation is relatively small compared to the empire. No army , just dudes in a one piece with receding hair lines. May the Swartz be with you!



i agree. one star destroyer is like an aircraft carrier/battle ship. now imagine the entire imperial navy. the federation has nothing on them. the empire alone could totally rip anything in star treck to pices!

the empire is like the german of wwII, but better.

[edit on 1-2-2005 by KrazyIvan]



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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Aw c'mon. This should read:

Landua says, To hell with fighting, let's party




The Federation takes over.


[edit on 2-1-2005 by intrepid]



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