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Looting Sweeps Venezuela As Hunger Takes Over

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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
The country has no pretense of being democratic, and these problems don't occur in socialistic countries, so it's definitely not socialism. The courtship has been long with communism, and the current issues point to that. I'm not claiming to actually verify the word I used, but current problems seem to be in line with communist countries.



www.cityam.com...

Just a thought.


And a very good thought it is too, thanks for expanding for us


It would seem that the worse things get, the tighter the cronies are gripping to power instead of logically thinking of solutions to the problem.

This will not end well for the people of Venezuela




posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: markosity1973
Capitalism succeeds because it feeds off the basic human trait of greed, which if left to go unchecked becomes as much of a failure as communism


Maybe we should try checked communism?

Because as far as I know, the problem, no matter capitalism and communism, is that usually a small group of greedy people get to have too much power.

I think overwhelming greed is a trait that could be minimized over time with the right understanding of psychopaths.
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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: markosity1973
Capitalism succeeds because it feeds off the basic human trait of greed, which if left to go unchecked becomes as much of a failure as communism


Maybe we should try checked communism?

Because as far as I know, the problem, no matter capitalism and communism, is that usually a small group of greedy people get to have too much power.

I think overwhelming greed is a trait that could be minimized over time with the right understanding of psychopaths.


I'd say that socialist capitalism is the way forward.

Nations like Australia are strongly socialist, yet are firmly capitalist as well. In OZ, we believe in 'A fair go for everyone' and understand that government control of our everyday lives only gets in the way of moving forward.

Capitalism simply needs to re-focus on turning a responsible profit for the good of the collective and not a few fat greedy individuals who exist to scalp the cream off the top for personal gain at the expense of everyone else.

Communism is too invasive because it seeks to control everything at a state level and control trade, with a few people at the top dictating what we can have instead of listening and responding to the needs and wants of the population.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

But it's so much easier to try to foist all your responsibilities off on some other entity and tell yourself they will fix all your problems.

And communism and socialism always look so good in theory and on paper. What the theory can never take adequately into account is human need and human nature. That's where it all falls apart.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: markosity1973

But it's so much easier to try to foist all your responsibilities off on some other entity and tell yourself they will fix all your problems.

And communism and socialism always look so good in theory and on paper. What the theory can never take adequately into account is human need and human nature. That's where it all falls apart.



Australia's socialism has only brought good things to the nation and it has been socialist for a very, very long time.

Here is the world 2015 happiness index below. If pure capitalism is so great, why is the USA behind multiple socialist capitalist countries in the rankings?

Is happiness not the greatest measure of success??




posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Because the US isn't pure capitalist. It's a toxic mix of socialist and cronyist.

In terms of economic freedom, we actually rank behind some countries that are on that list (not in terms of happiness, but in terms of economic freedom). If we were pure capitalist, that wouldn't happen because a truly free market is the definition of economic freedom.

I would also submit that the happiness indicators are a bit skewed when a country with the high violence and corruption of a state like Mexico comes in higher than the US.



posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Surveys taken under duress.




posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I agree that Mexico does not give the impression to an outsider that it belongs there in the top 20 either.

It's the cronyism element that causes the unhappiness in the USA, not socialism. Socialism is just the embodiment of the ideal (That the USA does subscribe to I believe) that a government is run by the people for the people.

Dig deeper and ask yourself who the cronies are; I think you'll find it is rich people who have bought their way into influential positions through unchecked corporate greed i.e unchecked capitalism got the selfish and greedy people with little or no regard for anyone other than themselves into positions of influence where they continue to rape and pillage the average person on the street for more money and more power.
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posted on Aug, 7 2015 @ 09:33 PM
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen


I lifted this from your link. Obama said.....



President Kennedy warned Americans not to see conflict as inevitable, accommodation as impossible, and communication as nothing more than the exchange of threats.” Obama added that the United States, as the anchor of the international system, has a strong tradition of exhausting diplomacy.


What a great quote!
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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It seems the looting reports were false LINK


CNN issued a statement apologizing for what it said was an incorrect reference to new looting incidents


Venezuela has been a poor mismanaged country for a century. Oil is all it has and every time the price drops it is a disaster. It has growing tension with its neighbors Guyana and Brazil and long time tension with Colombia. With Cuba moving to towards the US/West and Russia to weak economically, politically and militarily to be of any help I think we will see Venezuela also make a move toward the West. They really have no other options other than total collapse.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: redhorse

It is sad. What's even sadder is that many of those same people have enabled the same system that now abuses them. They voted for Chavez and now Maduro. They buy into the idea that the government cares about them and wants to provide for them. They believe, and look where it has brought them.

They need to realize that they are being victimized by the same people they enabled and break that cycle or nothing will change.



LOL,

If you switch a few words, this sounds exactly like our inner city situations here in the US.

You keep voting for these idiots who keep you in dependance and poverty, nothing will change (for the better) until that changes and the people wake up and realize "Big Government" and "Socialism" is not the answer to their problems.....
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: MrSpad

Personally, I don't believe the CNN "retraction" as accurate.

Anything MSM is suspicious.

We really have no idea where pressure like that is coming from do we.

One lie doesn't nullify another lie.




posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Excellent reply.
You answered all my questions nicely.
Absolutely right.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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There are hundreds if not thousands of Venezuelans here on Aruba trying purchase groceries to fly back to Venezuela with. Venezuelan credit cards are being refused here as well. I really hope they get rid of Maduro and the Chavez socialist philosophy soon.



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 08:28 PM
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It's the Pepsi Generation !!



Soft drinks could become the next product that disappears from shelves in hapless Venezuela as currency controls and economic mismanagement continue to generate shortages in the struggling South American nation.

A Pepsi factory in the city of Valencia said it shut down operations this week because it’s not able to purchase bottle caps or parts for cans. Two other Pepsi bottling plants are also reportedly at risk of shuttering for similar reasons.

Dozens of Pepsi workers, afraid of losing their jobs, picketed outside the factory on Wednesday. They said that Polar, a large bottling company that supplies Pepsi with materials, stopped sending bottle caps and supplies for cans over a week ago.

Pepsi Plant Shuts Down In Venezuela As Desperation Grows Over Product Shortages




posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
It seems the looting reports were false LINK


CNN issued a statement apologizing for what it said was an incorrect reference to new looting incidents


Venezuela has been a poor mismanaged country for a century. Oil is all it has and every time the price drops it is a disaster. It has growing tension with its neighbors Guyana and Brazil and long time tension with Colombia. With Cuba moving to towards the US/West and Russia to weak economically, politically and militarily to be of any help I think we will see Venezuela also make a move toward the West. They really have no other options other than total collapse.


Isn't Venezuela part of TTIP or TPP?

Part the of the plan I guess.

Nothing to see here folks move along!



posted on Aug, 8 2015 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Not socialism, eh?

Tell that to the inner city parents who have kids trapped in failing socialized schools and can't get them into better ones because they either lack the funds or lack the address in a better district.




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